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1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Oldschool 93/94 Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Standard Brawl Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Unformat Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Plains

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Idoneity on Oh Jackdaw Sing Arrogance

1 month ago

Austin_Smith_of_Cards — Oooh! Thank you kindly for the suggestions. I'll pore through them one-by-one.

That Thalia is a lovely card and I do enjoy some taxes in competitive formats, but I do consider it a little too pesky for commander gameplay.

Thalia, Heretic Cathar, however, is one of my favourite cards. I am frankly surprised she did not find a home already. What to cut, I wonder...

Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire is certainly a strong card, and I will probably include it over a Swamp if I can ever find my spare. I am currently at the minimum number possible Plains.

To rack a few out of the way quickly Swords to Plowshares isn't my thing, as I don't like liminal kill spells all too much. Same goes for Path to Exile. I didn't want this to be a sac deck, so I avoided effects like Elas il-Kor and Nasty End. Primevals' Glorious Rebirth is a little grandiose for the "little guys" game plan I wanted to hone. And Teysa Karlov is only so good in this list, as only so many cards are dedicated to tokens.

As for the gleaming diamonds in this bunch, Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle might be simply too good to pass up. It synergies far too efficiently for me to exclude, so it will be the next card in. Secondarily, you are correct that this list struggles against noncreature strategies, so Kambal, Consul of Allocation slots in nicely.

Thank you for your feedback and have an excellent day!

Balaam__ on LongLegs

1 month ago

@CommanderNeyo I think you’re right. I initially had more Leaden Myrs to help out with this, but some got axed as the build went along. Blood Moon pops up every now and again so I’m a little gunshy on removing all the basic Plains, so I’ll probably keep one just in case. But thanks for the suggestion—I’m forever forgetting about Silent Clearing, Llanowar Wastes etc.

Balaam__ on Dread Naught

3 months ago

You’re right in that fetchlands aren’t a perfect fit for 100% of the decks out there. Some revolve around strategies that absolutely don’t want them. But as a general rule of thumb they’re top tier lands in the formats that support them.

“…why not just replace that fetch land with an actual useable land?”—because in multi color builds drawing a Plains when you really need that Island doesn’t progress the board state. No deck only includes exactly as many lands as will technically pay for the cards played in a given session. There’s always more lands than you actually need in a deck, all to increase the odds of drawing enough to play your cards. So losing 4 slots dedicated to lands in order to include fetches isn’t actually setting you back. You’re still drawing enough lands to play your cards, except now you have the choice of grabbing the specific land you need instead of drawing one that’s unfortunately off-color.

That’s the basic reason, but there are others. Some decks revolve around cards that want that post-search shuffle, or even the search in and of itself. Some decks don’t need the full 60 card real estate and the fetches are specifically for deck thinning purposes. And then there’s Landfall which wants them for obvious reasons. There’s probably even more nuanced ways to abuse fetches that go over my head too.

Hope this helps a bit.

wallisface on Kamarupa’s Challenge

3 months ago

Sorry, one last idea. This one’s a little more gimmicky but also feels like it should perform well against a lot of decks just by being able to grind them down. It will require some savvy piloting as far as knowing when to play the Arbiter.

Balaam__ on Boros Angel Lifegain

4 months ago

A lot of this will depend on the budget you’ve allotted the deck, but off the top of my head here are some simple fixes for your mana problems.

1) Replace stuff like Stone Quarry and Kabira Crossroads with Fetchlands or Shocklands. Since you’re in Legacy, true Duals like Plateau are the obvious suggestion, but they’re ludicrously expensive and out of reach for most. So things like Arid Mesa or Sacred Foundryfoil are much more affordable and the next best thing. If that’s still out of reach, try fastlands or other less common mana producers like Inspiring Vantage or Clifftop Retreat. In other words, any land that says ‘Enters Tapped’ is slow as molasses and to be avoided.

•Another neat little trick is to run stuff like Flagstones of Trokair. A full set will let you thin your own deck with no drawback. You plop one down and have ready to go, and each subsequent one you play after that will heave the previous one into the graveyard and replace it while also fetching a Plains from your deck for free.

Be sure to check for the cheapest version of each card as well, since prices can vary drastically.

batach31 on Convoke the divine

4 months ago

IN:

Dazzling Theater / Prop Room

Plains

The Wandering Rescuer

Chromatic Lantern

OUT:

Joyful Stormsculptor

Stonybrook Schoolmaster

Whirlwind of Thought

Boss's Chauffeur

8-16-08-decimus on Jetmir Hares

5 months ago

here's a better way to do it

opening hand Sacred Foundryfoil+ Sol Ring+ Temple Gardenfoil + Stomping Groundfoil + Plains + 2 Hare Apparent Turn 1: Sacred Foundryfoil + Sol Ring draw for turn 1:Hare Apparent Turn 2: Temple Gardenfoil + 2 Hare Apparent draw for turn 2:Hare Apparent turn 3: Stomping Groundfoil + 2 Hare Apparent draw for turn 3 Hare Apparent turn 4: Plains + Jetmir, Nexus of Revels swing for 88 Math-> 4 5/2 Hare Apparent with double strike so 40 dam + 6 4/1 Rabbit 1/1 W with double strike so 48 dam

StopShot on Two rules change suggestions to …

5 months ago

[My EDH Background]

I used to be an avid EDH player until my old playgroup dissolved. It was only until recently that I built an EDH deck after more than half a decade and felt lost after two recent commander nights. I had dropped off after Hour of Devestation only to find the present-day meta feels like a completely different format than the one I had enjoyed. Seeing the prEDH format caught my attention but given I had gotten into EDH around Fate Reforged, the prEDH card restrictions seemed to dial things too far back for me, and I feel like a lot of players who got into EDH around the same time period as myself might feel the same way. As such, this format may feel just as alien to a good portion of left out players today, but I'd like to discuss if maybe that aspect could be improved upon.

[The New Phyrexia cut-off should not be extended]

I'd like to make two suggestions to adjust the scope of this format. One suggestion I will not ask though, is that the set cutoff point be extended past New Phyrexia. I agree with the rationale for excluding all of MTG that took place during and after the first commander preconstructed products were released. This is in place to make the format 100% organic and extending the cut-off to any other set would be highly arbitrary and subject to much disagreement.

[Issue #1 - OG Duals and Patchy Manabases]

But there are some issues that should be addressed and remedied regarding this format. One being at the time of New Phyrexia's release the monetary cost of OG dual lands were significantly cheaper then than as they are now. Given the best manabases for prEDH would use OG Duals, Fetchlands, and Shocklands, not having easy access to one (or more) of them puts non-legacy players in the rough spot of relying on prEDH's limited and patchy color-fixing options which can leave new decks performing at a more clunky pace than they otherwise would be if built back in New Phyrexia. Now I'm not against players using proxies but I think a format does a lot better at attracting a wider audience if they're not inclined to feel like they have to proxy reserve list cards to fully enjoy the format as intended.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #1]

I believe that if there is a land or mana-rock cycle that started before New Phyrexia, but was completed sometime after New Phyrexia, then all cards of that cycle should be made legal in prEDH just so that all color identities have equal access to their colors, because prEDH has a surprising number of incomplete mana cycles. This change would make the following cards and their colorshifted counterparts legal in prEDH despite being printed after New Phyrexia: (Clifftop Retreat), (Inspiring Vantage), (Needle Spires), (Nomad Outpost), (Snow-Covered Wastes), (Stone Quarry), (Sunbaked Canyon), (Sunscorched Divide), (Talisman of Conviction), (Wastes), and (Wind-Scarred Crag). This rule would also still apply to any new cards that would complete any of the cycles that have yet to be completed as well such as if Wizards were to ever complete the cycles for (Crosis's Catacombs), (Grove of the Burnwillows), (Nimbus Maze), (Wildfield Borderpost), etc.

[Issue #2 - Lack of Color Identity Options]

One aspect that made EDH novel is its color restriction on deck-building. From its inception, you would pick any of 5 Elder Dragons to be your Highlander and you would be barred from utilizing whatever 2 colors were not part of that dragon's identity. As the game grew into commander you could pick any legendary creature to be your commander instead and the color restriction carried over to your commander's color identity. The issue is prEDH's list of legal commanders provides a very limited line-up of commanders for any multicolored identity. Some color identities only have 1 commander legal for that color identity, and a vast majority of legal commanders are mono-colored which imposes a much heavier restriction than EDH had first set out to be with its 3-color dragons. This can lead to an over-saturation of players picking the same commander from the limited multicolor roster and more players picking up 5-color commanders, because their favorite color combination is restricted to just Numot, the Devastator, or Oros, the Avenger, or Vorosh, the Hunter. This isn't to say there won't be players playing mono-colored or everyone will be playing Reaper King because their favorite color-combination is underrepresented, but that prEDH restricts cards not just by set, but also much more heavily with color as well which can result in a poorer deck diversity than modern day EDH; (an issue that was not present when Commander was a much smaller and niche format). It's to this end I feel color restrictions could be opened up a bit to counteract the set restriction as a trade-off and that by doing so with the EDH philosophy in mind won't warp or distort the power level or vibe of prEDH.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #2]

In order to open up the commander color restriction, prEDH decks would have a land in the command zone in addition to the commander with this land serving as the "Commander's Domain." The color identity or basic land type of the Commander's Domain would set the color restriction on what cards can be included in the deck including the commander instead of it being the commander's color identity that restricts card inclusion. The lands that can be chosen to be your Commander's Domain consist only of: any of the 10 trilands such as Seaside Citadel, any of the 10 match-lands such as Glacial Fortress, or any basic land such as Plains or Wastes. The Commander's Domain would not be subject to the command tax and can be played as your land for turn by either exiling a basic land card from your hand or by exiling a basic land you own on the battlefield. One exception to this rule will be made for all 5-color legendary commanders. 5-color legendary creatures may be used as your commander regardless of your Commander's Domain and if your commander is 5-color you may run any basic land in your deck regardless of your Commander's Domain. Your Commander's Domain will still restrict what spells and non-basic lands you can include in your deck, however. This proposal seeks to expand deck diversity and creativity while still abiding to the original EDH tenant of limiting what colors may be included in your deck as well as provide an additional means of color fixing due to the greater lack of lands that are both decent and affordable in this format.

[Concluding Thoughts - The goal is not to make prEDH more like modern EDH]

The sake of these proposals isn't to make something new and flashy for the sake of making something new and flashy, but to make prEDH feel more like everyone's first EDH experience including for those who got into the format well after New Phyrexia but well before the current meta. That is not to say "make prEDH more like EDH" as that is the furthest thing from this thread's intention. This is more of a belief that a lot more can be gained while sacrificing very little and that much could benefit current prEDH players who would like to see more people play their format. It's possible my proposals may have missed this mark, but I would like to start a discussion on whether there are current shortcomings in this format and if it would be worth it to make changes to mitigate them or not to better the health and/or standing of this format.

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