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| Casual | Legal |
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| Pioneer | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Frontier Warmonger
Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever one or more creatures attack one of your opponents or a planeswalker they control, those creatures gain menace until end of turn.
Crow_Umbra on
Lightning, Pillowfort Commando
1 month ago
No prob, always happy to lend some suggestions. I've been playing Isshin since he debuted, but mostly as a tokens Go-Wide build with some Group slug and Goad mixed in. Nelly Borca was my first fully dedicated Goad deck. Squall, Gunblade Duelist is the closest that I'll get to a Mardu Goad commander that isn't Isshin, for now.
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Land counts are def one of those personal preference details that I don't lean on super heavily for suggestions unless someone is on thr lower side with a high curve. Def an "art meets science" aspect of deck building lol. For Isshin specifically, I've cut down on 2 cmc rocks to swap for newer 2 cmc creatures. In non-Green decks I usually rely on the color relevant "Talisman of __" cycle, Arcane Sig, maybe Fellwar Stone. For land edits I try to cut back on tapped lands without a condition that allows them to enter untapped.
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Yeah, I had fun with Etali in Isshin for a bit, but it ate removal more often than not without Lightning Greaves or something similar. I think you could swap Patron of the Kitsune for the Righteous Cause in your Maybe Board. It's slightly cheaper, but also more removal resistant.
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On the note of Goad enablers, something I've picked up on from playing Nelly, and against various Goad decks in my main playgroup, is that combat incentives can "encourage" folks to fight rather than force them. Donating creature tokens via the Hunted cycle & Combat Calligrapher can be risky. Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor and Frontier Warmonger are more examples of combat incentives in the vein of Karazikar & Breena that everyone can benefit from. The Firemane Commando in your Maybe Board is also solid. Carrots vs sticks. Give people carrots, then beat them over the head with them.
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On that note, the Hissing Miasma effects are def a "Your mileage may vary". Folks i regularly play with will tank the damage to kill whoever. The Ghostly Prison effects seem to be a bigger deterrent.
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Promise of Loyalty and Split Up can be interesting semi-symmetrical removal options that also allow for political wheeling & dealing.
Happy to provide feedback & chat. Isshin is easily my favorite commander, and Goad is something I enjoy playing with and against. If you're ever interested, The Rani is also a solid Goad commander. One of my friends runs her, & she's a lot of fun.
doc_frank_18 on
Blades of chaos
2 months ago
take out Darksteel Colossus and put in Frontier Warmonger then take out Zurzoth, Chaos Rider and put in Goblin Spymaster you want your opponents to attack your first strike creatures. take out Quakebringer and put in Snort take out Witch Hunt and put in Gornog, the Red Reaper
awesomedude20 on
Birdemic
1 year ago
GrimlockVIII Ayy that's kinda cool actually, I'm used to stuff like Frontier Warmonger but hadn't even considered effects like that due to the lack of red haha
ShieldOfHolyShadows on
Arms Race (Boros Aikido)
1 year ago
king-saproling I've looked at a lot of those cards before but some of them are new! I think the shell is highly flexible and can support most things, but I am curious behind the reasoning on trimming most of the pillowfort and a handful of the rattlesnake cards.
Ill-Tempered Loner Flip is great but frankly I can't be bothered to track Day/Night when I'm playing in paper.
Bloodthirsty Blade is solid and I have playtested it before, but my experience was that people were generally annoyed to see it, and because it was so cheap, there was no reason for me to not be using it constantly.
Truefire Captain was in there for a long time, but I needed space and it's one of my least favorite versions of the effect. 4 cmc, difficult casting cost, mediocre blocker, encourages aggression. So I trimmed it out for the ones I like slightly more, though I could be persuaded to readd the 3ish versions of the card that I don't run.
Ancient Gold Dragon would definitely be a powerhouse, but it's not really on theme for the deck. It's highly synergistic with Ganax, but Ganax is just in the deck because he's a red commander with Choose a Background and has flying. Gold Dragon is aggressive and highly threatening, which goes against the design goal for the list.
Death Kiss is fun, but I haven't tested it yet. Only concerns are the CMC and tracking the combat math.
For Life of the Party, I have some friends who love this card, but they play it in more of a blink deck where it can really shine. I don't know if I have enough support for it, but maybe I should give it a shot and see what happens.
Crown of Doom is super on-theme, but I've always found it to be relatively low-impact. +2 attack isn't a huge buff, and there's no guarantee it's on the person you need to be attacking.
Curse of the stalked Prey hits on similar issues with Crown of Doom, but I personally don't want to be using curses in the first place. You never know who they need to be on until much later on in the game. Like, imagine you curse someone and it turns out that player 3 is the real threat this game. You're rewarding people for attacking the wrong person, and encouraging them to avoid the real threat.
Skyboon Evangelist is fascinating; it reminds me of Frontier Warmonger. The reason I trimmed Warmonger was just that people never took advantage of the effect, it was just something I kept having to remind them of. I'm definitely going to have to think about this card though; I haven't seen it before.
Thanks for the feedback!
Crow_Umbra on
Isshin, King of the castle
2 years ago
Oh yeah, I almost forgot Frontier Warmonger and Death Kiss as some additional benefits for your opponents smacking each other.
Crow_Umbra on
Isshin, Two Heavens as One [Politic]
2 years ago
Also meant to mention Frontier Warmonger in my last comment before the edit feature ran out.
The_Warleader on
Thantis the Warweaver
2 years ago
Hey there, Cool deck idea! I would say that you need to incorporate more effects like Kardur, Doomscourge (effects that trigger when creatures die, for example) that punish your opponents for attacking anyone rather than just you. Your opponents can simply decide not to attack you until they can alpha strike you down (especially if you are going to be playing a lot of fogs). Try and come up with some creative ways to get your opponents to only attack you if your main win condition involves pumping your commander/draining them with effects like Hissing Miasma. Like, for instance, you are playing cards like Frontier Warmonger that reward your opponents for not attacking you - but you don't really want that presumably.
As far as cuts go - until you are happy with how your deck functions, you need to just cut out all the fluff (e.g. Jarad, Golgari Lichlord) and removal (Krosan Grip, etc). You can add that stuff back in later once your deck functions the way you want it to. And there are cards here that I think just don't realistically do anything for you:- Transmogrifying Wand Gruul War Chant Brash Taunter Frontier Warmonger, and several others. You could also cut some of the ramp - you don't need that much.
Ultimately I think you just need to chose whether you want your opponents to kill each others' creatures through combat so you can gain value off their carnage - or try and make them attack you somehow and then utilize fogs to protect yourself (in which case you NEED to play Isochron Scepter!). I hope this helps and that you repost it when it's finished! =)
king-saproling on
Mighty Manotaur
2 years ago
How bout these? Keen Sense, Rogue's Gloves, One with Nature, Mask of Memory, Destructive Urge, Latulla's Orders, Kusari-Gama, Scepter of Celebration, Umezawa's Jitte, Bloodforged Battle-Axe, Bloodthirsty Blade, Goblin Diplomats.
Just a heads up that the way The Reaver Cleaver is worded (gives the equipped creature the ability via "" rather than the equipment having the ability), if your opponent controls Tahngarth then your opponent will make treasure tokens. Similar issue with Snake Umbra and Popular Entertainer. Bear Umbra would also work this way except that Tahngarth doesn't "attack" when he is given to opponents, they just get him as an attacker. This means Frontier Warmonger will not trigger for Tahngarth when he is attacking during an opp's turn.
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