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| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Pauper | Legal |
| Pauper Duel Commander | Legal |
| Pauper EDH | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Premodern | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Brine Shaman
Creature — Human Cleric Shaman
Tap, Sacrifice a creature: Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
(1)(Blue)(Blue), Sacrifice a creature: Counter target creature spell.
legendofa on
Scarab God UB Zombie Tribal
2 years ago
Wraths and board wipes are always a good idea, and Zombies in particular can recover quickly. Deadly Tempest and Languish are reasonable budget options.
For counterspells, Counterspell is a classic. Brine Shaman could be a cute trick, as long as you keep the Zombies coming. Countersquall adds a touch of damage on. Disallow is a little more expensive, but hits pretty much everything. Diplomatic Escort, Wizard Replica, Spiketail Drake, and Siren Stormtamer are inexpensive options that can fill your graveyard with creatures.
burferking on Moon art cards for Princess …
5 years ago
From Alpha to Ice Age block: Earthbind Wyluli Wolf Shahrazad Phyrexian Gremlins Vampire Bats Timber Wolves Stasis Tidal Influence Homarid Shaman Axelrod Gunnarson Mystic Might Kjeldoran Dead Kelsinko Ranger Illusionary Wall Goblin Rimerunner Dystopia Brine Shaman Blizzard Specter Balduvian Shaman Adarkar Unicorn Rimefeather Owl Orcish Squatters Skeleton Ship Tresserhorn Skyknight Aesthir Glider (variation 2) Lord of Tresserhorn
Good news for Group Hug decks! Phelddagrif
Debatable: Worms of the Earth Energy Storm
Shinwizzles on
Marchesa, the Black Rose EDH: Steal Yo Gurl!
5 years ago
Strangelove, Thanks for the compliment! I'll be sure to check your deck out too! I ran Flayer of the Hatebound when I was testing the deck out to see if I wanted to put any money into it. I like how it performs, but the mana cost is pretty steep. It also only counts if the creatures come from my graveyard, whereas Marchesa, the Black Rose usually takes creatures from my opponents' graveyards. Similar deal with Geralf's Mindcrusher . Really cool card, but the cost is a little too steep for the effect. Think I might need to add that one to my The Scarab God deck though, so thanks for the recommendation.
Brine Shaman is pretty cool, but I dislike the fact that I have to tap it to sac a creature. I try to keep my sac outlets repeatable, in case I need to evacuate my field for whatever reason.
Molten Primordial was alright when I first played the deck, but the cost wasn't worth the effect. More often than not, only one or two players have creatures worth stealing. Tried Mob Rule and wasn't a fan of the performance it gave. Maybe I was using it wrong.
Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder & Co. are great for keeping opponents' fields empty, but that isn't necessarily what I want. I steal my opponent's Sun Titan (or whatever) using Portent of Betrayal (or another stealing card), swing at the opponent with the highest life total to trigger Marchesa, the Black Rose 's Dethrone ability, sac Sun Titan to the Phyrexian Altar , Ashnod's Altar , etc., and then the Sun Titan is mine for keeps! I do make thorough use of the Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder , etc. in my Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck, and they're absolutely great in that one! Just not too sure if they fit the theme here.
Macabre Mockery is pretty great. I might have to find a spot in the deck for that. Thanks for pointing it out to me! I like Overtaker too, but the cost of 4 mana and a pitched card is pretty steep.
Graft seems like a neat idea, but I'm not sure if it'd fit in with the rest of the deck too well. Cytoplast Manipulator would be the only Graft card I might consider. It seems pretty fragile, to be honest.
While I absolutely love the effect of Prince of Thralls the sheer cost of getting it out is too expensive, even with the Demon's Herald ability.
Thanks so much for all of the suggestions! I'll be sure to check out your deck and see if I can make any recommendations as well.
Thanks again!
Strangelove on
Marchesa, the Black Rose EDH: Steal Yo Gurl!
5 years ago
Hey Shinwizzles, nice list! +1
Here's a version I made for under $30: Black Rose [Budget]
It's a got a huge pool in the maybeboard, check it out.
No one mentioned Flayer of the Hatebound . Auto-include, imo. With a sac engine, it does at least 9 damage at the end of each turn (36+ damage by your next upkeep)!
Geralf's Mindcrusher similarly mills 10-40.
Brine Shaman is cool.
On theme, I'm seeing neither Molten Primordial nor Mob Rule . There's also Macabre Mockery and Overtaker .
Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder (and friends), and Profaner of the Dead are brutal. I would definitely swap out some of the lesser betrayal ( Portent of Betrayal , CMC 4+, etc) for these.
Graft: I feel like Graft + Sac Engine + Marchesa is very strong. The only way your opponents can clear this combo is to waste a ton of removal (3+ to remove Marchesa), or wait for your Graft trigger (if you overextend your combo). Vigean Graftmage protects Marchesa immediately on turn 4. They're also good fodder, like anything with Undying, to feed things like Altar of Dementia once each turn.
Shout out to Demon's Herald ! I've been looking for an excuse to play Prince of Thralls ... Maybe it's on-theme? I love these two.
Cheers!
TinkererEDH on
Muldrotha, the Gravetide
6 years ago
I love the Brine Shaman and Hesitation.
Don't forget about Dictate of Erebos as you are working with sacrifice all triggers.
Check out my "permanent control" muldrotha: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/muldrotha-the-gravetide-trial-1/
rob_shifflett on
List of EDH counterspells
6 years ago
Brine Shaman Stromgald Cabal Voidmage Husher Deathgrip Lifeforce Douse Declaration of Naught Teferi's Care Arenson's Aura
OMNATH_OMNATH_OI_OI_OI on
Muldrotha - Permanents Are All You Need
6 years ago
I like it. I have an Omnath, Locus of Mana deck myself that uses almost all permanents. My only non permanent was primal surge, as well, but it didn't work very well. I could cast it pretty consistantly by turn 3 or 4, but because i didnt have very much haste, i would deck myself out the next turn. I would recommend at least 2 or 3 other instant/sorcery just so you dont end up decking yourself out. But i love the premise. There are great permanent counterparts to almost all instant/sorcery. For counterspells, i would recommend Brine Shaman, Cursecatcher, Stratus Dancer, etc.
Caerwyn on Does Cloning by Instant spell …
6 years ago
Let's look at the stack for both your examples:
Does a token copy still get made before an original is killed/exiled/returned?
Yes. Here is how the stack would look:
They target your Elite Arcanist with a removal spell (let's say Terminate). The only spell on the stack right now is Terminate.
While Terminate is on the stack, you cast Cackling Counterpart. The stack now looks like this: Terminate first Cackling Counterpart second. Elite Arcanist is still alive.
Because Cackling Counterpart was put on the stack second, it resolves first. Terminate is still on the stack, and thus has not destroyed your creature.
Cackling Counterpart resolves. Your creature is still in play and is duplicated. Now you have Elite Arcanist, a copy of Elite Arcanist, and Terminate is still on the stack.
Terminate resolves. Your Elite Arcanist dies; your token survives.
Second question: Can a token copy be made and then have them activate a mana or self sacrifice ability to then counter the spell?
Yes, provided it would be legal to activate the ability.
See steps 1-4 above.
In response to the Terminate being on the stack. You can now activate a legal ability of your creatures token. However, your token Elite Arcanist will have summoning sickness, so this would not work. If you had a method of giving your creatures haste, this would be legal. However, if you had a card like Brine Shaman, you would be able to activate the ability. This is less useful than it seems--you could have activated your original Brine Shaman's ability and countered the spell, even if the targeted creature was tapped.
The counter would go on the stack second, targeting the Terminate on the stack.
The counter would resolve first; Terminate would be countered.