Creature — Human Cleric Shaman
Tap, Sacrifice a creature: Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
(1)(Blue)(Blue), Sacrifice a creature: Counter target creature spell.
|Want (2)||Cactusman , jacksonbenete|
Printings View all
|Masters Edition II (ME2)||Common|
|Ice Age (ICE)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Brine Shaman Discussion
9 months ago
From Alpha to Ice Age block: Earthbind Wyluli Wolf Shahrazad Phyrexian Gremlins Vampire Bats Timber Wolves Stasis Tidal Influence Homarid Shaman Axelrod Gunnarson Mystic Might Kjeldoran Dead Kelsinko Ranger Illusionary Wall Goblin Rimerunner Dystopia Brine Shaman Blizzard Specter Balduvian Shaman Adarkar Unicorn Rimefeather Owl Orcish Squatters Skeleton Ship Tresserhorn Skyknight Aesthir Glider (variation 2) Lord of Tresserhorn
Good news for Group Hug decks! Phelddagrif
1 year ago
Strangelove, Thanks for the compliment! I'll be sure to check your deck out too! I ran Flayer of the Hatebound when I was testing the deck out to see if I wanted to put any money into it. I like how it performs, but the mana cost is pretty steep. It also only counts if the creatures come from my graveyard, whereas Marchesa, the Black Rose usually takes creatures from my opponents' graveyards. Similar deal with Geralf's Mindcrusher . Really cool card, but the cost is a little too steep for the effect. Think I might need to add that one to my The Scarab God deck though, so thanks for the recommendation.
Brine Shaman is pretty cool, but I dislike the fact that I have to tap it to sac a creature. I try to keep my sac outlets repeatable, in case I need to evacuate my field for whatever reason.
Molten Primordial was alright when I first played the deck, but the cost wasn't worth the effect. More often than not, only one or two players have creatures worth stealing. Tried Mob Rule and wasn't a fan of the performance it gave. Maybe I was using it wrong.
Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder & Co. are great for keeping opponents' fields empty, but that isn't necessarily what I want. I steal my opponent's Sun Titan (or whatever) using Portent of Betrayal (or another stealing card), swing at the opponent with the highest life total to trigger Marchesa, the Black Rose 's Dethrone ability, sac Sun Titan to the Phyrexian Altar , Ashnod's Altar , etc., and then the Sun Titan is mine for keeps! I do make thorough use of the Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder , etc. in my Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck, and they're absolutely great in that one! Just not too sure if they fit the theme here.
Graft seems like a neat idea, but I'm not sure if it'd fit in with the rest of the deck too well. Cytoplast Manipulator would be the only Graft card I might consider. It seems pretty fragile, to be honest.
Thanks so much for all of the suggestions! I'll be sure to check out your deck and see if I can make any recommendations as well.
1 year ago
Here's a version I made for under $30: Black Rose [Budget]
It's a got a huge pool in the maybeboard, check it out.
No one mentioned Flayer of the Hatebound . Auto-include, imo. With a sac engine, it does at least 9 damage at the end of each turn (36+ damage by your next upkeep)!
Geralf's Mindcrusher similarly mills 10-40.
Brine Shaman is cool.
Graft: I feel like Graft + Sac Engine + Marchesa is very strong. The only way your opponents can clear this combo is to waste a ton of removal (3+ to remove Marchesa), or wait for your Graft trigger (if you overextend your combo). Vigean Graftmage protects Marchesa immediately on turn 4. They're also good fodder, like anything with Undying, to feed things like Altar of Dementia once each turn.
1 year ago
Don't forget about Dictate of Erebos as you are working with sacrifice all triggers.
Check out my "permanent control" muldrotha: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/muldrotha-the-gravetide-trial-1/
1 year ago
2 years ago
I like it. I have an Omnath, Locus of Mana deck myself that uses almost all permanents. My only non permanent was primal surge, as well, but it didn't work very well. I could cast it pretty consistantly by turn 3 or 4, but because i didnt have very much haste, i would deck myself out the next turn. I would recommend at least 2 or 3 other instant/sorcery just so you dont end up decking yourself out. But i love the premise. There are great permanent counterparts to almost all instant/sorcery. For counterspells, i would recommend Brine Shaman, Cursecatcher, Stratus Dancer, etc.
2 years ago
Let's look at the stack for both your examples:
Does a token copy still get made before an original is killed/exiled/returned?
Yes. Here is how the stack would look:
Second question: Can a token copy be made and then have them activate a mana or self sacrifice ability to then counter the spell?
Yes, provided it would be legal to activate the ability.
See steps 1-4 above.
In response to the Terminate being on the stack. You can now activate a legal ability of your creatures token. However, your token Elite Arcanist will have summoning sickness, so this would not work. If you had a method of giving your creatures haste, this would be legal. However, if you had a card like Brine Shaman, you would be able to activate the ability. This is less useful than it seems--you could have activated your original Brine Shaman's ability and countered the spell, even if the targeted creature was tapped.
The counter would go on the stack second, targeting the Terminate on the stack.
The counter would resolve first; Terminate would be countered.