Edgar Aristocrats Help?

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Posted on Dec. 7, 2017, 1:02 p.m. by MizzMizz

i'm wondering what else to do to my deck to make it more competitive and consistent. cant seem to get what i need to make the strategy work when play testing. what should i cut and what else should i add?Vampiric Cheese

first things first.

what is your win "strategy"? its hard to help hone your strategy when it isnt specified

assuming you want to win via token swarm/beatdown, the problem lies in that aspect to begin with. competitive edh is dominated by combo and control decks, aggro is nearly obselete in tier 1 competitive, and the few aggro decks that stand a chance are essentially combo but with aggro undertones

problem is, creatures are the most common and easiest to answer spells in commander, since you need a commander to play in the first place

edgar markov is in no way a competitive commander, so trying to pkay against common cEDH decks will not bode well

however, if you wish to MAKE him as competitive as he is ABLE to be, the unfortunate answer is money/staples, edgar still struggles to win even with Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, Entomb, Mana Crypt, Gamble and the rest of the competitive staples in your color, as decks like storm run the same cards to much better effect

short answer is if you want to make the deck competitive or pricy, edgar is not worth it for you.

as far as consistency, it sadly also relies on tribal staples, most of which are mentioned in the decklist comments already, but things like Mana Echoes, Conspiracy, Patriarch's Bidding and Coat of Arms are seen in pretty much every single tribal deck at one point or another, but even those wont help you as they are very high mana cost for what purpose they serve and half of them are global and can feed opponents

hope that provides some insight, you basically want more than one game-winning combo in the deck, because cEDH is very, very rarely won with non-spike/residual combat damage, and your deck scoops pretty hard to Damnation or Jokulhaups effects

December 7, 2017 5:08 p.m.

i have a cEDH nekusar primer list on here, people always ask me "what does he do that tier 1 grixis like Kess, Dissident Mage or Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge can't do better?"

the answer is nothing, i just love nekusar enough that i bought all of the super expensive cards to make him stand a chance, because i know that he is not a top competitive commander, i dont expect him to win vs better commanders within a similar price range.

sadly not all legendary creatures make good enough commanders to compete with tier 1 generals, and to attempt to compensate for that means spending a LOT of money to give the deck speed and consistency :(

December 7, 2017 5:16 p.m.

MizzMizz says... #4

I got you.

Well I'd like to just make the deck as good as possible, then. I like the idea of token swarming, but I as well know that creatures are very vulnerable, which is why I've been heading towards and aristocrat build while still keeping Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond as a win condition.

From what it feels like, I need help on developing an actual win strategy. All I really know is that I'm unsure about which direction is best for this deck to head in which is why it's all over the place :/

I hope I get better at this soon, haha.

December 7, 2017 5:26 p.m.

deckbuilding takes a lot of time and testing to get better at, ive built hundreds of decks over my 10 years of magic and i still have room for improvement, so don't lose hope!

even though a lot of power comes from pricy staples, there is budget options for more casual playgroups, for example Demonic Tutor can be substituted with Diabolic Tutor or Increasing Ambition

as far as wincons, yes, you need more than just BloodBond and tokens.

as far as token combo, im pretty sure you can get lethal damage using Blood Artist to combo with Ashnod's Altar and Nim Deathmantle to get infinite damage/life, because you sac a vamp+ a vamp token to altar for 4, use the 4 to activate deathmantle on the nontoken vampire, triggering blood artist infinitely, add Grave Pact/Dictate of Erebos and it also forces opponents to sacrifice an infinite amount of creatures, or you add Mana Echoes for infinite colorless mana!

combos like this are made MUCH easier with Anointed Procession, since it doubles your token production

you can also win via a soft lock that makes you impossible to kill, such as Solemnity + Phyrexian Unlife

sadly not a lot of vampires are combo-friendly cards, so you're going to want to run a lot of tutors, creature protection and noncreature combos alongside the trusty vampire armada. the most fitting combo for your deck would definitely be lifesteal, having an Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Cabal Coffers in play usually wins you the game if you use the mana to cast an Exsanguinate or Debt to the Deathless, especially with land copying coffers like Vesuva, Thespian's Stage or Mirage Mirror

Magus of the Coffers is alsp a budget friendly version of cabal coffers, and allows you to run 2 of them

also if your main wincon right now is bloodbond life combo, id recommend more ways to fetch it like the above mentioned black tutors, as well as Idyllic Tutor and Gamble

December 7, 2017 6:14 p.m.

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