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a few things to note before I begin,
i just finished making this deck 100% competitive so im still new to cedh matchups as i dont have a lot of cEDH games except with a tymna/thrasios and blood pod, so there is still room for improvement of course. however, in regards to the point of arcane denial giving card advantage, it is true, but nekusar and wheels are forcefeed by nature, so although im trying to make nekusar as viable as possible he will never be tier 1 because of how many wheels are used
i think Luxury Suite would be a good replacement to tarpit, what would you recommend? cuz its a nice combo and all but tarpit doesnt have a lot of use outside whispering madness and 7 mana is quite steep
i find crucible to be super useful, as if i have multiple lands in my hand i can play one and wheel the rest to use in later turns, albiet not as good without Exploration effects, it has still been extremely useful for me. Temporal Mastery, Capture of Jingzhou and Time Warp, the latter which i recently cut out but remains a maybe, are pseudo-explorations as i get another untap, drae phase and land for turn. but if you really think its just a cute interaction, what would you replace it with for cedh?
i just feel vandalblast is too good, it can be a sorcery Smelt at its worst, and a 1 sided pseudoShatterstorm when overloaded. also, you actually overload it with flashback with snap/yawgwill or jace. its a board wipe that By Force would usually require a shitload of mana to match the amount of targets, and abrade is far from a board wipe, i would sooner add Evacuation as another creature wipe and/or Shattering Spree because although it needs red, each replicate has to be counterspelled individually, where by force would just get force of will'd, but i will keep your suggestions under consideration, thank you for your concern
June 21, 2018 5:12 p.m.
also trinket mage is just good. it tutors for sol ring and Sensei's Divining Top which is already good, it also tutors for all the moxen, mana crypt and lions eye, mana vault
but you usually only get 1 use out of it, if you run top and sol ring thats good enough to run tmage, it also tutors for Library of Leng if you run that
June 20, 2018 3:57 p.m.
alternatively you can run ritual ramp, im not a big fan cuz it only ramps for that turn/phase, but Seething Song and Cabal Ritual are also pretty strong! albiet just once, and not permanently (twice if you flashback)
June 20, 2018 2:45 p.m.
essentially you are right. its not a bad card in your opening hand but 4 mana is pretty steep at this point of the build, its definitely still decent in a budget variant
i actually took bog out earlier this week to add fetch lands, in cedh i dont want many tap lands, tar pit is already a high risk card and i might cut it since it only really has 1 card interaction, but unless you're at the final stages of deckbuilding its worth a slot, rakdos charm usually does the job for me now that i have plenty of ways to tutor it, shuffle it back into my deck or cast it from graveyard
i also removed it when i took out some of the infinite combos in favor of more control and protection, previously it was paired with Helm of Obedience to exile an opponents library activating helm for x=1, which is a valid wincon in casual play
hope that answers your question!
June 20, 2018 12:47 p.m.
delay is not better. arcane denial is one of the brst counterspells in edh. first off it draws you a card, and secondly if your opponent draws the cards, they usually use 2 life to nekusar, which is the decks game plan.
if you read my description and comments, you would see my explanation for crucible.
this is a wheel deck, meaning its extremely common for me to discard a hand full of lands. crucible allows me to play lands after wheeling them, and it also allows me to get maximum use out of fetch lands.
again, tarpits use is in the comments and description, which i feel like you didn't read.. the use for the card is to cipher Whispering Madness, as it stays ciphered on the land and creates a reliable way to get the cipher on it via unblockable while being hard to interact with as a land.
by force is just bad in this deck. its not a deck where x spells are good in any regard. sure abrade is good but rakdos charm already does what abrade would do. and vandalblast is mainly overloaded to wipe mana rocks, its a red edh staple and if you arent running it you should be.
June 20, 2018 9:31 a.m.
yea i probably could have been less aggressive.. just irks me that bad decks get noticed purely because of formatting and feature tokens. basically means you have to pay for upvotes, and people assume a lot of upvotes means its a good deck, which is far from true in this case..
but you do need to make a lot og changes to make this deck respectable to play against, cuz currently all your doing is gassing your opponents with card draw while trying to combo, almost every game will result in your opponents comboing first.. even the temple bell combo.. give your opponents a single instant or flash spell before they hit 0 cards will lose you the game, so its not even a good combo as most opponents with any brains would and could respond to it rather than conceding.
June 16, 2018 5:17 p.m.
monkey is illegal in vintage, and illegal cards mean you cannot even participate in any sanctioned or legitimate play, and in fact would ban you from any and all future events. it's far beyond losing the game if you cant even play the deck and lose with it. :/
id recommend replacing it with Demonic Pact, just choose the lose the game mode on upkeeep 》:}
June 15, 2018 9:20 p.m.
thehalubi, please remember to actually look over the decklist before suggesting cards already in the list.
June 15, 2018 2:46 p.m.
lab man and nauseam are in maybeboard. this is not a kess doomsday deck. and doomsday/lab man are too narrow for the game plan. nauseam usually kills me, i have a copy of both but cut them years ago.
dramatic scepter is for artifact combo decks, and again has almost no synergy with the game plan, i can untap after a wheel using Mind Over Matter more reliably than a noskill 2 card combo that generates mana i dont need.
did you even read the decklist? i run dark ritual, always have, and cabal ritual and seething song have also been taken out. i have more than enough ramp with my artifacts so running multiple rituals dilutes the consistency. nekusar wins with waste not/draw damage and wheels, not self mill/doomsday or dramatic reversal, which is a garbage card by itself in this deck and scepter isn't worth running when i only have 5 other possible targets, all of which i would rather cast from hand and recast with kess or will. exiling any of them isnt worth it when scepter will just get removed. just because im not running narrow combos with zero deck synergy and rituals i havent needed since the deck was first built. this is a competitive primer. which is why its 95% competitive. running any more rituals dilutes the strategy.
i have run Doomsday, Laboratory Maniac, Seething Song, Cabal Ritual and High Tide 5 years ago when my deck was still casual, along with all the Forks.. all of these cards are in the maybeboard as ive already tested them or had them suggested.
June 15, 2018 2:44 p.m.
you're not running signets or talismans or fellwar stone or Sensei's Divining Top or any 0cmc rock like Chrome Mox and Lion's Eye Diamond, or any of the good mana rocks, 3cmc mana rocks are bad and planeswalkers are too fragile.. your defense is beyond poor, you have zero brainstorm or scroll rack effects. you have way too much passive draw and pain and almost no removal whatsoever, your ramp is embarrassing, you run too many wheels, command and archivist are bad and the latter is too slow, your land count is too high.. im honestly saddened you have the money to run crypt and chains (also bad, i have it and it shuts down your whole deck, ive tested it thoroughly.) and you still choose to run garbage like chromatic lantern and temple bell. the fact this has twice the votes my primer does makes me sick.
June 14, 2018 10:23 p.m.
nekusar isn't really meant for combo, more storm.. cards like Fevered Visions are REALLY BAD in nekusar, you're giving your opponents free card advantage while making them hate you and dealing next to no damage, while losing friends and games simultaneously. your deck is 40% casual which further shows its lack of any consistency, you aren't running nearly enough land fetches either
if you want to go combo theres a plethora of better generals like kess, jeleva, sedris, marchesa, thraximundar.. all of those are better at deterring other decks until you can combo.
furthermore, the entire purpose of combo is to win quickly, efficiently and consistently, the efficiency is there but its very inconsistent as most of the cards such as Temple Bell are complete garbage outside of the 2 card combo. if you want to be able to combo off early consistently and not a mere 60% competitive, which is barely half.. you need turors for your combos, currently of which you have next to none, so you're relying on the off chance you draw into a combo at the same time as helping opponents draw imto theirs.. a deck that loses you friends but never wins except when you get lucky is a bad deck.
id suggest referring to my primer or perhaps someone else's if you dont believe me, but fancy art and upvotes dont make it a good deck, good cards do.
but ill reiterate what basically everyone else is saying, combo needs tutors to be effective. and this is a discard spell deck, not a combo deck, nekusar should pnly be cast when you're going to win that turn, feeding people a free Phyrexian Arena every turn is how ypu DONT play nekusar, any Howling Mine effects should not exist here.
June 14, 2018 9:25 p.m.
June 12, 2018 1 p.m.
Tsabo's Web does tap some of my lands, buts its mainly there as another 2cmc cantrip alongside Wall of Omens and Spreading Seas, its also worth noting i would run Back to Basics if i had one, and web doesnt tap as much of my stuff as Stasis or Winter Orb/Static Orb, and not to mention i can untap the lands affected by web via Cloud of Faeries,Flickerwisp, Felidar Guardian
June 11, 2018 6:44 a.m.
i will feature this deck, if you tell me how you get enough mana for lethal comet storm etc! my friend plays neheb and i really want to build my own burn general (we don't like overlapping generals in my playgroup) and i was thinking Chandra so this would be a good base for my build, just curious!
neheb gets like 40 mana so easily its silly to compare, but i know this is more of a ping general
June 10, 2018 6:21 p.m.
what's your thoughts on Chains of Mephistopheles? i play one in nekusar and i feel like it would fit very well in my meren deck as well, is it a monetary thing?
also on the subject of monetary, meren isnt one of my main decks, so i can't afford to get a living plane for it anytime soon, what's your thoughts on running Kormus Bell as a budget alternative? it does the same thing when you have Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth out, and im just wondering if its worth running as a budget LP
June 10, 2018 6:16 p.m.
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