New Update A new competitive Dawn... — 23 september 2018 has been posted at the top.

Looking forward to all your comments and suggestions!

I can't view the primer

Did you click on 'Show Primer' button lightninja7 ?

It Doesn't show on my screen.

Man I remember when people yelled at me for saying Mox Amber would be good in Captain Sisay.

lightninja7: I have tested it on different machines and asked others to look for it. They all saw it. No clue why it doesn't work for you. Sorry...

OptimalGreen, the card kicks butt for Sisay. It's an all-star and true staple. Do you play Sisay yourself?

OptimalGreen: Honestly, Sisay is the one deck where it's unquestionably amazing. I'm still not convinced it's an amazing card in many other decks.

Animar has some sick use for it.

PartyJ Yep although I don't play her very often because my local playgroup honestly can't keep up with Sisay and I only play her when someone whips out something that goes super fast. I usually play Ruric Thar or Hapatra or Zegana if people are playing combo centric blue decks.

Why not add land grant for the free untap for paradox engine Or mana fixing?

I LOVE this deck!!!! +1

Why used Banisher Priest as opposed to fiend hunter?

I imagine it's because of Mindslaver type effects where your opponent can screw you over with your own cards like Fiend Hunter. They're both practically the same anyways except one's a 1/3 and the other a 2/2 it's just one can't be used against you in that one very specific way.

I'm not sure I agree with this more stax heavy route. I think all the cards that global tax have been counterproductive especially without the other selvala to help break parody. I do think seton is hot fire and definitely added that. Personally I'd like to see sigarda and dragonlord dromoka added back in. I'm retooling a bit though, so will post more updates comments after more testing.

^ Parity Unless you think the deck is some sort of imitation that needs breaking ;)

After a night of playtesting I have seen that the combo routes proved to be very brutal. In our meta, where lots of disruption is eminent, it is vital to take the lead (ramp package present) and stax your opponents the moment your first infinite route goes disrupted. With this package you buy time to re-order your pieces and retry for a second infinite loop. Recurring from being countered/controlled is also included in the package.

However, I feel there is always room to grow. These are the cuts I made for a new round of testing:

OUT:

• Crop Rotation : Not vital for the combo lines and I needed room to improve
• Eidolon of Rhetoric : It was impactfull for the whole board, but also for myself after being disrupted
• Banisher Priest : Better option ready for testing available
• Kamahl, Fist of Krosa : This is one of my two relics from the past; letting go of the nostalgia...
• Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite : This is the second relic; there she goes...

IN:

• Nature's Claim : Enchantment removal was lacking in this build
• Tangle Wire : More impactfull stax piece
• Mangara of Corondor : Tutorable by Sisay and an emergency brake in case things go sour.
• Sensei's Divining Top : Nice synergy with Sisay. Love to try this out.
• Aura of Silence : Needed more enchantment removal and extra stax benefit as bonus.

Looking forward to a next EDH night! Let me know if you got some ideas. I want to go brutal 2.0....

Any players take extra turns as an endgame? Just wondering because some games I've used Ugin's Nexus as an additional stax piece in particular in games where I see benefits to kataki-taxing opponent's and not paying the tax for the nexus for a deadly synergistic extra turn with Sisay.

I think elesh norn is just too good to remove. If you ever manage to cast this T2 or T3, which won me a tournament:p, it just ends games on the spot. Plus I randomly got a foil phyrexian text version for 2$ so I may be biased from love :).

I've been having lots of success with

Dragonlord Dromoka: I know the cost is steep, but the lifeline has been super helpful randomly.

Solemnity: I've got lots of graveyard and counters strategies in my meta. This card randomly hoses entire decks especially meren, which I love

Scroll Rack: this is probably my favorite T1 play. Always happy to see it.

Cloudstone Curio the only masterpiece I own, the only Noah Bradley card I like, the most ridiculous combo enabler outside of paradox engine. This card is silly and I think if you dont play with it you should at least try.

Baird, Steward of Argive: surprisingly awesome protection.

Sigarda, Host of Herons: i think not playing this is a mistake period.

Grand Abolisher: with yuan getting this is more reliable and I think it earns its spot.

Hope of Ghirapur: good protection for the combo turn. Good recursion card too.

Staff of Domination: this card enables some silly lines when you can be net positive on mana.

Side note you've convinced me on null rod, most amount I've ever paid for a card and totally worth it :p also seton is stupid and I love it :)

I can't edit for some dumb reason, but I forgot Angel of Jubilation. Most beautiful foil of all time, randomly hoses entire decks, and the +1 is randomly relevant

Bontu's Monument is a pretty bad card and should be replaced with Hope of Ghirapur as it prevents the one blue player with open mana to stop you, Sigarda, Host of Herons does nothing to further your gameplan and is hard to cast. If your meta is full of pox decks it may be ok. I would probably replace it with Rishkar, Peema Renegade. Null Rod seems pretty bad as it hinders your combos, but maybe it is worth it against the scepter decks as you don't have countermagic .Maybe play Stony Silence instead since it is easier to destroy artifacts. I have found Apostle's Blessing pretty solid. This is a variant I brewed up but haven't tested yet: Paradox Sisay

bloodygripen Your loop uses Hope of Ghirapur. The only problem with this loop is that you can't sacrifice it unless you've dealt combat damage to a player. Sure you can bring it back with Bow of Nylea, but u unless you have a sac outlet, you cannot continue the loop.

@lightninja7 - That's actually incorrect. You can sacrifice Hope of Ghirapur at any time through it's own ability as it's part of the cost to get the effect. Whether you hit someone with it is irrelevant, as the end result of the ability would be the effect fizzles with hope still being in put in the graveyard. There just isn't usually much to be gained by sacrificing it without connecting with your intended opponent first.

CrimsonWings3689 please do some research before you attempt to be an ass and go correcting people, read some rules first.

"601.2. To cast a spell is to take it from where it is (usually the hand), put it on the stack, and pay its costs, so that it will eventually resolve and have its effect. Casting a spell follows the steps listed below, in order. If, at any point during the casting of a spell, a player is unable to comply with any of the steps listed below, the casting of the spell is illegal; the game returns to the moment before that spell started to be cast (see rule 717, "Handling Illegal Actions"). Announcements and payments can't be altered after they've been made.

• 601.2c The player announces his or her choice of an appropriate player, object, or zone for each target the spell requires. A spell may require some targets only if an alternative or additional cost (such as a buyback or kicker cost), or a particular mode, was chosen for it; otherwise, the spell is cast as though it did not require those targets. If the spell has a variable number of targets, the player announces how many targets he or she will choose before he or she announces those targets. The same target can't be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word "target" on the spell. However, if the spell uses the word "target" in multiple places, the same object, player, or zone can be chosen once for each instance of the word "target" (as long as it fits the targeting criteria). If any effects say that an object or player must be chosen as a target, the player chooses targets so that he or she obeys the maximum possible number of such effects without violating any rules or effects that say that an object or player can't be chosen as a target. The chosen players, objects, and/or zones each become a target of that spell. (Any abilities that trigger when those players, objects, and/or zones become the target of a spell trigger at this point; they'll wait to be put on the stack until the spell has finished being cast.)"

The last point that is used in determining the outcome of the following issue is therule:

603.3d. The remainder of the process for putting a triggered ability on the stack is identical to the process for casting a spell listed in rules 601.2c–d. If a choice is required when the triggered ability goes on the stack but no legal choices can be made for it, or if a rule or a continuous effect otherwise makes the ability illegal, the ability is simply removed from the stack.

What this means, is that if a trigger was put onto the stack and requires a target, such as a Ravenous Chupacabra with no opposing creatures, it will fizzle, as you stated, but unlike the Chupacabra, Hope of Ghirapur is activated by a player, and while it is being cast, you must pay all costs and make all 'choose' options and required 'targets'. If Hope said 'Choose up to one target opponent [...]' you could choose nobody, but you would have to make it clear you chose nobody when you activated the ability, as you paid the cost of sacrificing Hope. Given a scenario in which no legal targets could be made, you cannot sacrifice Hope to its 2nd ability.

Hope that clears it up, also CrimsonWings3689, stating things as factually as that without citations is setting yourself up. Try to learn what a little bit of Humilityis please. I may have made a mistake, but I have shown my sources at least.

@SynergyBuild - While I may not have cited the official rules, I stated what I did based on similar artifacts, such as Arcbound Ravager which absolutely can sacrifice itself to it's own ability; the 2nd half of it's sacrifice clause not being able to put the counter on itself doesn't matter. While it's not targeting, the cost before the colon was paid and the ability resolves in the best way that it can, which for Ravager, it can't.

If that's not the case for Hope of Ghirapur, then that's all well and good, lesson learned.

I do find it interesting that you managed to pull a condescending/smart-ass tone out of what I said, since rereading it still just showed no malice or ill-mannered intent. That being said, you do you.

P.S. Extra edgy points for injecting your own snark by hyperlinking a magic card (Humility)in your words of wisdom. +10 cool points

P.S.S. Now I was being an ass

CrimsonWings3689

Targeting is the issue with Hope, I see how experience with the Ravager would allow you to experience something you find similar.

To start, I do apologize, I did not link Humility to be rude, I just quite like the card, and realized I could hyperlink it. I have not prior had that been considered snarky,

Onto why I found your previous comment condescending, you immediately opened with the sentence, "That's actually incorrect." Normally, a 'TLDR' line like "I think that is wrong," would be used, and with no evidence brought up, I found that not even just saying, "That's wrong,", but using the modifier, "That's actually wrong," was how I assumed the intent. If this wasn't your intention, I don't believe you made that very clear.

The rest of what you said was just a simple matter-of-fact tone in which you describe the processes that you previously believed would take place, no tone was brought up in this section of the comment, but that tone was already by the previous sentence, leading it to sound rude in my mental reenactment of you, whom I do not know, writing the comment.

Onto the last bit, I would like to make note that P.S. stands for Post Script, so it would be P.P.S. instead of P.S.S., because Post-Post Script works more than Post Script-Script. This would make sense, at least, except the Post-Post Script you wrote was so meta, in which it was a script that was so self-referential about the topic at hand, and the script being written about, that it almost is a Post Script-Script. I guess that makes you the most unaware commenter, or most aware commenter in all of existence (to my knowledge). Perhaps you are the greatest mind in all of history, who knows.