Lost Caverns of Ixalan

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Posted on Sept. 23, 2023, 7:41 a.m. by Coward_Token

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Icbrgr says... #2

So I'm overall the most excited for this set the most next to Modern horizons 3 that was announced.... card spoiler wise the revealed card I want is...


September 23, 2023 10:14 a.m.

Coward_Token says... #3

Kellan volume 2: I kinda dislike that in a mirror match, the Adventure punishes the player who casts it first since the second one will then get two tokens. Anyway, I wonder what Maps will do. Tutor for basic lands?

September 24, 2023 12:47 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #4

Quintorius seems to be getting his first planeswalker card

Surprised that they decided to reunite Saheeli with Huatli so quickly

September 24, 2023 5:02 p.m.

legendofa says... #5

I'd be a little disappointed if Maps end up being another "Sacrifice this artifact: Get minor benefit" token. My first sure-to-be-wrong prediction for the set is that Maps do something in bulk, so the more you have, the better the effect. "For each Map you control, do X" or "As long as you control three or more Maps, cool stuff happens." Something like that.

That "Oltec" Mesoamerican-style art is beautiful... I love that art style.

September 24, 2023 7:39 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #6

I said it in the custom card thread, but the Red God yields some wonderful results with Impact Tremors.

Definitely got some decks he can slot into, but he could actually be the next Goblin Commander. Running him alongside Krenko? Oof

September 25, 2023 12:54 a.m.

Coward_Token says... #7

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not a fan of them making Pirates graveyard-y. I wish they'd stick to typal steal effects like Coercive Recruiter. At least Beckett is ripped

(Unsurprisingly, I disliked that Alara!Grixis was about Unearth. What's blue about reanimation + haste?)

September 25, 2023 4:14 p.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #8

TypicalTimmy, Ojer also looks fun with all of the Guttersnipe, Hellrider, and Mayhem Devil effects that are out there. I'm already looking over my relevant deck slots lol.

I'm intrigued in how they'll pull off the reanimation with potential haste for the Pirate precon. Pirates up until now have felt a bit all over the place as a typal group. I took a stab at building OG Beckett Brass right after Commander Legends dropped, and it felt kinda meh.

I'm mostly excited for potentially hasty reanimated pirates for Goro-Goro and Satoru to get some new dudes for the 99.

September 25, 2023 4:31 p.m.

legendofa says... #9

Coward_Token As much as I love Alara, it's not really the best example of what individual colors do. Like in Naya, is kind of out of place. has less than 100 creatures with power 5+. The next lowest, , has almost 200. didn't really care about artifacts before the shard of Esper was introduced; the only black card between the Mirrodin block and Shards of Alara that cared about artifacts was the reprinted Yawgmoth Demon, and that just sacrificed them.

But that aside, I agree that Pirates shouldn't be especially graveyard-y. Theft and evasion should be more their speed.

September 25, 2023 4:41 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #10

legendofa: Too bad the dino deck seems to be leaning into the mechanical identity of Alara!Naya as well =P

(funnily enough, while it's not super exciting, Devour does kind work for all three Jund colors, with green previously doing stuff like eating Saprolings and casting Natural Order)

September 25, 2023 5:34 p.m.

legendofa says... #11

I guess we'll find out what "Dino Devastation" means.

The Merfolk one is pretty straightforward. There weren't any Demons in original Ixalan, so there could be something totally new there. Demons?

September 25, 2023 6:16 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #12

I'm sorry but I think Ghalta is WAY too over powered. Why the hell would WOTC print that.

A 12/12 with Trample for 8 mana, that also unloads all creatures from your hand onto the battlefield FOR FREE?? It's not even a cast trigger! you can blink this asshole and unload your hand!

You all should know by now how I feel about breaking cards and cheating things into play and having immense value, and even I'm the first one to say this thing is broken and should probably just get banned.

September 26, 2023 3:07 a.m.

plakjekaas says... #13

As someone who played Myojin of Life's Web with That Which Was Taken in commander in 2016; repeatedly putting all creatures from hand into play does, as an effect, severely suffer from diminishing returns. Usually your hand is empty after you do this, so blinking it gets you barely any more creatures in play. Not actually that banworthy. And 8 mana 12/12 is a huge improvement from the 2 mana 12/12 that was the first Ghalta. It's probably worse than Gishath, Sun's Avatar, both because of the colors and because casting from library is more consistent than repeatedly hoarding creatures in hand.

It's a powerful card, for sure, but I think you're more afraid of it than you should be.

September 26, 2023 9:03 a.m.

Coward_Token says... #14

Yeah I think blinking is less worrisome than stuff like Flash and Animate Dead

September 26, 2023 11:14 a.m.

legendofa says... #15

Catching up:

They're taunting me with Skeletons. Two legendary Skeletons, one doesn't do much as a commander, the other needs a big pile of non-Skeleton creatures and can't officially be a commander anyway. Still sitting here in 60-card jank casual... If there's a quality utility or combo Zombie jammed in this set, I'm gonna flip.

Map tokens do exactly what I hoped they wouldn't. They're kind of going overboard on the disposable artifact tokens, in my opinion. Clue, Treasure, Blood, Food, Map... On the other hand, I'd like to see Artifact Creature - Map Construct or something. Walking Atlas needs a corrected printing anyway. (I know the mechanics don't line up, so it's probably not going to happen.)

I'm going to claim an early partial success on my Demons prediction.

October 27, 2023 5:56 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #16

legendofa: haha, not as much, but I was also a bit dissapointed when I first read "Grim Captain" and thought it was going to be a cool Pirate card. Also, Bats sure are being white-aligned here.

Kinda confusing that most of the Gods like Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might  Flip are seemingly dead in the story

Maybe I'm too old, but I feel the "Craft" mechanic doesn't resonate with the Ixalan flavor of South American civilizations/the European age of exploration. Seems more fit for Dominaria or something similar with established artificer-lore. But yeah, I'm not the Minecraft generation so w/e.

Kinda funny that Angels are featured on a piece of card art that was used in the story, even though none were mentioned in the text. I imagine them just standing around silently in every scene, being ignored and not doing anything.

October 28, 2023 2:56 a.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #17

Since our initial trip to Ixalan, I was hoping for a Cuāuhocēlōtl (Jaguar Warrior) styled Legendary. I didn't think we would get a literal jaguar warrior in Sovereign Okinec Ahau, but I'll take it. Although +1/+1 counter strats aren't my thing, his showcase art got me deck brewing, or at the very least, finding him a slot in my Gylwain deck.

October 28, 2023 3:24 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #18

Okinec is secretly on a quest to muscle out Polukranos Reborn  Flip from the niche of GW Hydras

October 29, 2023 9:59 a.m.

Coward_Token says... #19

Beligerent Yearling: I like the flavor that this is trying to execute, but it's kinda off. I'm guessing that it's supposed to be small like e.g. Raptor Hatchling, but the art doesn't really give me a sense of its smallness and with its base stats it can still take on a bear and a half. (Also, what the heck is it supposed to be? Looks like a t-rex with an Ankylosaurus' back & tail plus two out of three Triceratops horns.

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Aside from that, the main characters fighting a bat god and its minions in the story while riding on giant bats themselves kinda seemed like a weird mix of metaphors, especially since bat tokens in the set are mostly associated with Vampires

October 29, 2023 1:08 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #20

legendofa: You can get a little typal support, as a treat

October 31, 2023 12:27 p.m.

legendofa says... #21

Coward_Token Yay!

That's actually not bad, for the repeatable creature token. The "on your end step" is the limiting factor, so they don't get the pump on opponent's turns if you use that ability. Still, reasonably-sized tokens at a reasonable price is a solid deal. It might not be format-defining, but it's a nice little gift.

October 31, 2023 8:09 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #22

Kinda medicore haul for my OG!Becket deck. Was hoping for a cheap and reliable source of evasive tokens. Ironically, Skeleton Crew might make legendofa happy instead, despite being in "my" precon. (Although I'm guessing you found Uchbenbak, the Great Mistake pretty underwhelming.)

November 3, 2023 2:52 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #23

Oh and in case anyone is still playing him: there's a non-zero chance that a major character of the current story arc will be Ruhan

November 6, 2023 11:04 a.m.

legendofa says... #24

Looks like I didn't actually post my response to Coward_Token...

Yeah, Uchbenbak isn't great. It's got decent stats for its cost, and the vigilance and menace are nice (although switching the power and toughness would make both more meaningful--who wants to be chump blocked by a couple of tokens?) It's just all around decent as a card by itself, and doesn't offer much as a commander. Kind of sad that it's still better than most current Skeletons.

Skeleton Crew is the best gift so far. Good synergy with a couple other skeletons, and the buff is very welcome. I expect it'll mostly see play in Gravecrawler combo decks and similar, but I'm claiming it for the skull patrol. Also, what kind of fashion statement is gluing a miniature ship's helm to your shoulder? Is that like Flavor Flav's clock or something?

November 6, 2023 12:17 p.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #25

Looks like all of the LCI & LCC cards are now active for edits and brewing. Already spammed all of my edits lol

November 6, 2023 3:05 p.m. Edited.

Coward_Token says... #26

Crow_Umbra: ahaha I was literally planning on nagging FemmeFatale over it tommorow

November 6, 2023 4:37 p.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #27

Lol, well I'm glad your patience paid off Coward_Token. I think Goldbranner asked her about when LCI/LCC would go live on the Missing Cards thread a few days ago.

November 6, 2023 4:40 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #28

Anyway, don't really get why Francisco, Fowl Marauder both has no power to start triggering its own ability and can't even be used as a blocker, making him all but useless until you find another Pirate. I know I'm a broken record about these kind of things but it seems needlessly conservative, especially compared to Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator.

November 6, 2023 4:51 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #29

What happened to the rest of the Elder Dinosaurs? I understand Etali died, and we have a card for Ghalta, but where are the other three?

November 7, 2023 8:59 p.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #30

TypicalTimmy, perhaps WotC is setting up for the next return to Ixalan:

We're Back

November 7, 2023 9:33 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #31

One of my favorite childhood movies.

Dinosaurs eating cereal. I mean why not

November 7, 2023 10:06 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #32

Even outside of kindred decks, Roaming Throne is worth considering for non-blue trigger commanders who always wanted a Spark Double. Special mention goes to backgrounds like Passionate Archaeologist, because they work by giving your commander the ability rather than triggering on their own.

November 17, 2023 3:24 p.m.

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