Secrets of the Dead
Whenever you cast a spell from your graveyard, draw a card.
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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Uncommon|
|Dark Ascension (DKA)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Secrets of the Dead occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
Secrets of the Dead Discussion
3 months ago
Hey, looks like your going for a Zombie tribal theme.
Going to have to make some sacrifices of five drop Zombies and here's some advice. Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Gray Merchant of Asphodel and The Scarab God are the only three you need the rest could be cut. Muldrotha, Grave Titan, Rooftop Storm and Liliana, Dreadhorde General are the only six drops you need.
I have a Zombie tribal Muldrotha deck that I made last year, Zombie Grave Wave (Budget). My deck is budget, $200, but it could give you some ideas and you can replace the budget alternatives I'm using with more expensive price cards that you have. More advice to improve your deck is to include Gravecrawler infinite combos since it's a Zombie.
Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar + Diregraf Captain/Plague Belcher/Bontu's Monument/Blood Artist/Vengeful Dead is an infinite combo to make all your opponents lose life. Sac Gravecrawler with Altar, use the one black mana to cast Gravecrawler from your graveyard and repeat. Gravecrawler + Altar is infinite casts of Gravecrawler from your graveyard which can be used with other cards. Diregraf Colossus is infinite 2/2 Zombies. Undead Augur/Secrets of the Dead/Guardian Project can draw into a win condition. Kill all your opponents creatures with Grave Pact.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Evolving Wilds
- Cabal Stronghold: don't need this land since you have Coffers.
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Golgari Rot Farm
- Simic Growth Chamber
- Font of Fertility
- Curse of Disturbance
- Curse of Predation
- Curse of Death's Hold
- Curse of Misfortunes
- Cruel Reality
- Door of Destinies
- Springbloom Druid
- Vile Rebirth
- Casualties of War
- Geralf's Mindcrusher
- Vulturous Zombie
- Perpetual Timepiece
- Gilded Lotus
- Amulet of Vigor: not worth playing just to have Bounce lands ETB untapped.
- Soulless One
- Gravebreaker Lamia
- Havengul Lich
- Nyxbloom Ancient
- Grave Betrayal
- Deadbridge Chant
- Bow of Nylea
- Greater Good
- Sultai Ascendancy
- Eternal Skylord
- Underrealm Lich
- Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
- God-Eternal Bontu
- God-Eternal Rhonas
- Fallen Shinobi
- Unbreathing Horde
- Black Market
- Corpse Harvester
To also make room for more lands and other card upgrades this is more than 13 card suggestions to consider cutting. Many of these suggestions are good cards, but are very much outclassed by other better cards in your deck already or you could add with such a high budget.
20x total lands is not enough for a functioning Commander deck. Want at least 30-36 lands depending on how high the avg. CMC of your deck is and how many additional mana sources you include. The current avg. CMC is 3.7 which is too high. What's making it this high is too many high CMC Zombies especially five drops.
I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.
5 months ago
Deyosyf - Thank you for commenting!
While I do think the Squandered Resources combo with World Shaper is pretty nifty, I personally don't see myself getting much value out of Squandered Resources without World Shaper already on the field. With various fetchlands and other lands that sac themselves, I typically don't have to worry about having plenty of lands to play out of the graveyard already. On top of that, I'm not a huge fan of World Shaper if the deck doesn't have any sac outlets, which mine doesn't currently have. In the right deck this is a powerful combo, but for mine I don't have enough free deckslots to fit all of the needed cards in.
Gravebreaker Lamia is a card I've considered since it is quite good, but the problem is that it's not repeatable. With Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Sidisi can exploit herself so you can play her every turn without a problem. Combined with Animate Dead this is a powerful and cheap tutor effect (without Animate Dead, I probably wouldn't be running her). For Gravebreaker, I don't see the discount effect to be good enough to warrant running the card.
I do think Walking Ballista could be included in the deck, it's certainly not a bad card. The main issue I have with it is that it's kind of boring, haha. But yeah, especially in the right meta, Walking Ballista is very good for cleaning up small creatures, while still being an effective combo finisher. In my current meta, there's not a lot of small enough creatures, so I've just decided not to run it.
I will replace Growth Spiral with Coiling Oracle, I'm not actually sure why I hadn't thought of Oracle since I already own the card. So thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will test out Risen Reef to see if it's worth the extra mana. I feel like it's probably worth it, but I'll try to verify that before adding it to the deck.
As for Secrets of the Dead, it's not quite as attractive as Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study since it requires Muldrotha on the field to do much of anything. But I do still think it's worth running all 3. One of the main goals of this deck is to replay removal/interaction over and over again with Muldrotha, and Secrets of the Dead synergizes with this game plan perfectly. It might not be a card for every deck, but for mine it definitely puts in work every time I play it.
5 months ago
Squandered Resources can help ramp you early game by allowing you to sacrifice a few lands to play Muldrotha early. Then late game you can use it (and any other land sacrifice outlet) to combo with World Shaper. The Mending of Dominaria is an "OK" alternate to World Shaper but The Mending of Dominaria takes too long unless you have a way to proliferate.
Gravebreaker Lamia is a direct replacement for Sidisi, Undead Vizier I guess its worse because its an entomb instead of a tutor, but you already have support with Eternal Witness and Tamiyo, Collector of Tales and the added benefit is you can play it without having to have another creature around for exploitation. the cost reduction is well worth it as well.
Walking Ballista you already want to dump mana into X spells this card is a great way to manage and control boards early. Its an artifact and a creature so you can use muldrotha to cast it two times in a turn and it can be used as a kill con from the grave yard without needing anything other than muldrotha to make it a viable option.
Growth Spiral - you have two better creature options than this card; Coiling Oracle or Risen Reef. You have 3 other elemental creatures in the list already so risen reef might be worth the extra 1 generic mana over the coiling oracle. especially looking at how much you're likely to be replaying Shriekmaw and Mulldrifter. however oracle lets the land enter untapped. its a trade off I'm not sure which is better.
Secrets of the Dead - between Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study you don't really need the secrets of the dead.
7 months ago
@king-saproling: Alright. Did the cuts & possible exclusions that are worthless in this deck (IMO) anyway. As I'm still trying to find ideas for cuts on my Omnath deck (4 potential ideas so far.), was my decision to remove Sunforger from the equation (NOTE: it has to be a CMC 4< Cost; & must have and/or in the identity. Only 5 non-X Costs make the list. Far too low. Even Secrets of the Dead has few targets as of recently.
So, do you think this is fine as it currently is? I'll try & find more potential cuts on the Omnath deck here:
Commander / EDH*
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This might be the last time I need help after the fact. So thanks so much for such an effort, you really kick ass. :D
7 months ago
@king-saproling: All cut. I even have two others that would've been great w/ the Chopped, on the chopping block. So we're still 12 running to get slaughtered. As I'm still planning a 5-Color Solemnity oriented deck, should I find ideas for the other 10 cards to cut?
You already knew about my other deck idea; but it requires a 5-Color CMDR. The Deck has one Law: No Counters Allowed. W/ stuff like Decree of Silence , Stuff for Suspend , Persist , Undying , Age Counters among other kinds of stuff. Now I just need a 5 Color CMDR that might help this case: Cromat , It's 5 Abilities Neither grant it a +1/+1 Counter to itself, & its 4 Other Abilities don't matter for requirements; thus being the CMDR of choice.
That said, I've 10-12 cuts left, depending on opinion to cut here. On the following deck:
Commander / EDH*
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, I already decided on 4 things on the chopping block:
1: Sunforger : 9 Instants are even on there, limiting my options so much it's insane; & not a lot are good targets anyway.
2: Secrets of the Dead : The Saddest Part is that I've no support for this. 1/3 out of 3 is chopped.
Maybe I'll add more choices. But I'll leave this to you one last time; even as I'm working on a True Cromat Anti-Counters (Not Counterspells.).Deck, & I'll still try Atemsis, All-Seeing alone if you don't mind. Same for ol' Cromat . The rest is up to you; How to bring such decks to 100 cards? Have I annoyed you enough? I wonder what you'd recommended cutting for both.
Until then, I'll be waiting... Great work BTW! :D
10 months ago
1 year ago
greyninja thanks for the +1 and the suggestions!
I originally had Secrets of the Dead in my deck. It was definitely good with Muldrotha, I just want this deck to be able to work both with and without her. In this case I think it is too reliant since the only way to case cards from my graveyard is only with Muldrotha.
Honestly Mulldrifter is mvp, it is very good since cards + 2/2 flying blocker(and/or a sac body) = good in my eyes. I only took it out to try and test other cards. Also add my current unhappiness with yawgmoth, mulldrifter might be back in soon. Thank for that!
For Shriekmaw I think I have enough removal with 1 targeted removal, 1 mass creature removal, 3 sac effects, 1 mass wipes, and 1 Song of the Dryads . Then again I have been massively wrong about many things so I will test this out with Mulldrifter , and Kaya's Ghostform .
Thanks for the help! Will definitely check out your deck.