Missing render silent triggers
Asked by Lordofthesith 5 years ago
I had a disagreement with someone at my LGS and wanted your opinion on the matter
Player A: casts Render Silent
It resolves and counters the spell
Player B: attempts to cast a spell that would end the game
Player A was going to allow it to happen despite Player B being unable to cast spells
I am sitting at a nearby table and am spectating and make sure that Player B knows that he cannot cast spells so they back up
Player B becomes upset with me interfering with the game if I’m not a player in the game.
Should I have stayed silent and told them after even though the game would have been fundamental changed based on a illegal action?
What is the ruling on this now that WOTC has said when you miss a trigger you can’t go back?
Thanks guys
I think in a casual setting, that was perfectly justifiable. It's not a trigger, so you can't miss it. It's like if a player attempted to play Supreme Verdict without having two White mana.
March 22, 2019 12:42 p.m.
PlatinumOne says... #3
definitely let them know, even in a casual setting. players can't learn from their mistakes if they don't even know a mistake was made. he wasn't upset about the fact that "you weren't a player in the game" he was upset because he thought you cost him a win. i'd wager that if the situation involved you helping him instead, he wouldn't have had a problem with it.
March 23, 2019 7:08 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #4
In casual, a simple “hey, your counter has an extra effect on it” sorta thing would suffice, in tournament settings, here is the official ruling:
1.11 Spectators
Any person physically present at a tournament and not in any other category above is a spectator. Spectators are responsible for remaining silent and passive during matches and other official tournament sections in which players are also required to be silent. If spectators believe they have observed a rules or policy violation, they are encouraged to alert a judge as soon as possible. At Regular or Competitive Rules Enforcement Level, spectators are permitted to ask the players to pause the match while they alert a judge. At Professional Rules Enforcement Level, spectators who are not members of the official coverage team must not interfere with the match directly.
March 23, 2019 9:31 p.m.
PlatinumOne says... #5
Raging_Squiggle: you left out the earlier part where it explains the "other categories above".
March 23, 2019 9:50 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #6
Because I didn’t deem them necessary to answer the question as the rule I stated specifically addresses spectators. But if it adds closure, the above categories are:
Player, scorekeeper, floor judge, head judge, and tournament organizer.
March 23, 2019 10:20 p.m.
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Boza says... #1
Render Silent is not a trigger. It flat out prevents you from doing an action, much like with Void Winnower you can't even.
In regards to your interference and players disliking it, that is subjective - in a casual setting, you really do not know how the players will react. In any tournament setting with judges, the only correct course is to call a judge to the table.
March 22, 2019 5:52 a.m.