Student of Elements

Creature — Human Wizard

When Student of Elements has flying, flip it.

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Tobita, Master of Winds

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard

Creatures you control have flying.

3/3

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (6)

balefire123 on Tibor and Lumia Deathslingers

3 years ago

I like this! An uncommon Commander with some spice in the list. This seems the perfect deck for Student of Elements  ^Flip, and I don't think I've seen a better list for Mass Diminish and Polymorphist's Jest.

The easiest addition, imo, is Trinket Mage to fetch Basilisk Collar, Sol Ring, etc.

Cards like Archaeomancer and Ardent Elementalist aren't particularly exciting, but they do help by adding more recursion/redundancy to the deck. The Mirari Conjecture does something similar, but with an added bonus after two turns.

Enchantments like Dismiss into Dream and Cowardice are some spicy ways to turn blue cantrips into removal.

I think the token producers (especially Young Pyromancer) conflict with T&L's second ability, but I also think they offer up an opportunity for a new win condition: Dragonshift. If you go this route, I'd suggest adding cards like Murmuring Mystic, Talrand, Sky Summoner, Metallurgic Summonings and Shark Typhoon. Deekah, Fractal Theorist deserves special mention, as the tokens it creates will keep their +1/+1 counters even after being Dragonshifted.

I don't like Kaza, Roil Chaser here, because I see this as a deck that wants to be casting a bunch of small spells, not a few large or X spells. I also think you are leaning too heavily into copying spells for much the same reason. Copying a Brainstorm =/= copying a Comet Storm. Even copying Stitch in Time feels like a waste. Maybe take out cards like Increasing Vengeance for more counterspells or interaction? Archmage Emeritus, Niv-Mizzet, Parun and Wavebreak Hippocamp help you maintain card advantage even when countering your opponent's threats.

Overall, I feel this deck is looking to control the board with cards like Basilisk Collar or Mass Diminish + Tibor and Lumia, maintain card parity with counterspells + cantrips and Archmage Emeritus (and company), and then follow up with either a swarm of tokens + Dragonshift/Day of the Dragons or individual threats such as Niv-Mizzet or even Nezahal, Primal Tide or Hullbreaker Horror. I think you'd be best served by upping your interaction/counterspell suite, eliminating some of the more expensive sorceries (everything 4+ MV) and X-spells, and focusing less on spell copying in favor of casting more cheap spells in the first place. I hope this helps! I haven't really thought much about this commander before, so thanks for bringing it to my attention. Might try my own spin with this lovely Izzet couple.

Podkomorka on Pauper EDH Deck Compendium

5 years ago

Deck added:

• Student of Elements

Mortlocke on Voidchant Sliver

5 years ago

Everyone, I appreciate the constructive input. It's been awesome reading all your comments.

• cdkime, I must admit that I made the mistake of constructing this creature in a vacuum - and forgot that when building a new sliver you must always consider every other sliver to have come before it. Starting off as a 3/2 with an extremely powerful ability would be giving this creature and the hive far too many advantages. And yes, the wording is a bit off on the ability, i'll correct that with my "final" revision.

• shadow63, again not the best argument in my opinion. It just sounds like you're giving an opinion. At 1/1 that would definitely make this creature seem more balanced...but for flavor's sake it should be a 2/1.

• Snickles@EDH_only, "For sizing, the bigger counter point is simply color logic" - yep...I definitely constructed this creature in a vacuum. It shouldn't be a 3/2 by any means and yes...there aren't any 3/3 creatures for outside of Gilded Drake , School of Piranha , and Student of Elements . For the sake of theme, I think the Sliver's power and toughness should be 2/1. Mostly for flavor. Also, considering "that said, compared to Necrotic Sliver , which is supposed to replicate Vindicate , it would make more sense for the card to read , sacrifice this creature: counter target spell"" - no way. Such a creature would be beyond busted at anything not mono blue, and at a higher cost. At least for 2/2. But that's not the design I'd want to go for. I'm going to go ahead and post a revision shortly after this post. Everyone, let me know what you all think.

Neotrup on Mairsil interaction

7 years ago

Right. Mairsil, the Pretender can use Nezumi Graverobber's ability to flip, but that won't mean much. He'll still be able to exile cards from graveyards and still will not be able to reanimate creatures. However, if he somehow becomes a copy of a flip creature like Student of Elements he'll already be the other side, Tobita, Master of Winds, and grant flying, because he flipped before becoming a copy.

Rhadamanthus on Mairsil interaction

7 years ago

The alternative characteristics on a flip card can only apply while the card is on the battlefield and flipped. In your example Mairsil, the Pretender will only have the activated abilities of the "normal" half of the card. Any permanent can gain the "flipped" status if something causes that to happen, but it won't really do anything if the card doesn't have specific alternative characteristics for being flipped.

Similarly, the characteristics on the back face of the double-faced card can only apply while the card is on the battlefield and transformed. In your example Mairsil will only have the activated abilities of the front face of the card. Only double-faced cards can actually transform.

Note that Student of Elements and Mondronen Shaman  ^Flip don't actually have any activated abilities, which are always written out as "(cost) : (effect)". Jushi Apprentice and Wolfbitten Captive are better examples.

DarkMagician on Mairsil interaction

7 years ago

How does Mairsil, the Pretender work with flip cards (such as Student of Elements) and double sided cards (such as Mondronen Shaman  ^Flip)?