How does Guile work with Remand?

Asked by mtgirem 9 years ago

Guile states that if the spell is countered it becomes exiled and gives me the option to cast it. Remand says to put the countered spell back into the controller's hand. Which gets priority?

I'm also curious of Memory Lapse or any other similar counters that explicitly state to put the countered spell in a zone besides the graveyard.

Pilz_753 says... Accepted answer #1

Your spells would be exiled by Guile . Guile says "If a spell or ability you control would counter a spell, instead exile it" and Remand and Memory Lapse say "if a spell is countered this way". So because the spells won't get countered by Remand they won't be returned to it's owners hand.

September 21, 2014 3:16 p.m.

mtgirem says... #2

Oh I see so the 'would' is the operative word that overrides the previous instruction. Thank you very much.

September 21, 2014 3:18 p.m.

filledelanuit says... #3

To answer this question it is important to know that Remand , Guile , and Memory Lapse all have replacement effect which modify what happens when a spell is countered. When you have multiple replacement effects then the effect player, the player who controls the spell being countered, controls how the replacement effects are applied.

  1. This only is weird if Guile and the spell being countered are controlled by the same player. In this case you have the choice of applying the Guile first which while exile the spell and all the other stuff that Guile does. If you choose to apply Remand first then the spell will go to to their hand. Also the term priority means something else in magic and doesn't apply here.

  2. Memory Lapse works the exact same way as Remand except it changes the zone that the countered spell would go to.

Remember that replacement effects are detonated by "instead" and their effects will happen instead of the original effect.

September 21, 2014 3:19 p.m.

filledelanuit says... #4

Please ignore my answer, I completely misread Guile

September 21, 2014 3:20 p.m.

mtgirem says... #5

I'm confused now. So the player who is getting the spell countered gets to choose between Remand putting the card back into their hand and Guile exiling it?

September 21, 2014 3:21 p.m.

mtgirem says... #6

ok no problem thanks anyway

September 21, 2014 3:22 p.m.

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