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Destroy all creatures and lands.
1 month ago
"One-card wincons" to consider: Insurrection , Expropriate , Painful Quandary , Rise of the Dark Realms , Revel in Riches , Cut / Ribbons . Perhaps Clone Legion , Rite of Replication , Mogis, God of Slaughter , Hour of Promise , Blatant Thievery , Grave Betrayal , or Mind's Dilation .
One thing to think about is getting Nicol Bolas flipped and maybe joined by the other planeswalkers and casting Obliterate , Jokulhaups , Devastation , or Decree of Annihilation . Almost guaranteed ultimates. Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God would be the best--proxy for now and include in first build?
Boardwipes: Toxic Deluge , Black Sun's Zenith , Hour of Devastation , Decree of Pain , Curse of the Swine , In Garruk's Wake , Deadly Tempest , Evacuation , Nevinyrral's Disk , Last One Standing , Perilous Vault , Oblivion Stone , Kindred Dominance , Necromantic Selection , Subterranean Tremors
Removal: Capsize , Bedevil , Hero's Downfall , Chaos Warp , Kolaghan's Command , Reality Shift , Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Vraska's Contempt , Rakdos Charm , Price of Fame , In Bolas's Clutches , Plaguecrafter , Merciless Executioner , Fleshbag Marauder , Unstable Obelisk , Vandalblast , By Force , Shatterstorm , Hostage Taker , Yawgmoth's Vile Offering , Settle the Score , Dark Impostor , Hour of Glory , Sever the Bloodline , Silence the Believers , Spread the Sickness , Slave of Bolas , Electrodominance
Draw: (I would add Erebos once you're home) Patient Rebuilding , Phyrexian Arena , Greed , Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Notion Thief , Windfall , Mystical Tutor , Blue Sun's Zenith , Pull from Tomorrow , Stroke of Genius , Braingeyser , Mind Spring , Expansion / Explosion , Invoke the Firemind , Deliver Unto Evil , Augur of Bolas , Painful Truths , Fevered Visions , Search for Azcanta Flip, Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Tidings , Thassa, God of the Sea , Day's Undoing , Reforge the Soul , Standstill , Deep Analysis , Necrologia , Steady Progress , Tezzeret's Gambit , Oath of Jace
Random utility: Ophiomancer , Metallurgic Summonings , As Fortold, Pendrell Mists , No Mercy , Stranglehold , Fated Return , Dark Intimations , Spellseeker , Sire Of Insanity , Thief of Sanity , Spark Double , Primal Amulet Flip, Dragon's Hoard , Mystic Retrieval , Shreds of Sanity , Spelltwine , Ashiok, Dream Render , Torpor Orb , Baleful Strix , Darksteel Myr , Solemn Simulacrum , Wayfarer's Bauble , Vedalken Orrery , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Will Kenrith , Mana Geyser , Gem of Becoming , Thran Dynamo , Narset, Parter of Veils , Keranos, God of Storms , Thrilling Encore , Star Compass , Coldsteel Heart , Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs , Ensnaring Bridge , Crawlspace , Expedition Map , Burnished Hart , Torment of Scarabs , Cruel Reality , Mnemonic Betrayal , Yawgmoth's Will , Bloodchief Ascension , Nightscape Familiar , Gonti, Lord of Luxury , Thaumatic Compass Flip, Dreadhorde Invasion , Fraying Omnipotence , Thrummingbird , Viral Drake , Past in Flames , Mizzix's Mastery , Omniscience , Tainted AEther , Aid the Fallen , Deepglow Skate , Flux Channeler , Rings of Brighthearth , Silent Arbiter , Meekstone , Mudslide , Astral Cornucopia , Everflowing Chalice , Lethal Vapors , Sunbird's Invocation , Stolen Strategy , Maze of Ith , Spreading Plague , Merchant Scroll , Polluted Bonds , Black Market , Grave Upheaval , Memory Plunder , Pain Magnification
Beaters: Dragonlord Silumgar , The Scorpion God , The Locust God , The Scarab God , God-Eternal Kefnet , God-Eternal Bontu , Darksteel Colossus , Colossus of Akros , Visara the Dreadful , Tsabo Tavoc , Avatar of Woe , Balefire Dragon , Nicol Bolas , Hellkite Tyrant , Bladewing the Risen , Grave Titan , Inferno Titan , Steel Hellkite , Vampire Nighthawk , Torrential Gearhulk , Noxious Gearhulk , Combustible Gearhulk , Dominus of Fealty , Roil Elemental , Tidespout Tyrant , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Keiga, the Tide Star , Ryusei, the Falling Star , Wrexial, the Risen Deep , Etali, Primal Storm , Nezahal, Primal Tide , Tetzimoc, Primal Death , Dread , The Haunt of Hightower , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Enigma Drake , Crackling Drake , Archfiend of Depravity , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Thing in the Ice Flip, Niv-Mizzet, Parun , Sepulchral Primordial , Molten Primordial , Diluvian Primordial , Ob Nixilis, Unshackled , Sire of Stagnation , Utvara Hellkite
2 months ago
also thoughts on Devastation ? is the effect too expensive?
4 months ago
11 months ago
1 year ago
Thank for this! I'm trying to figure out an EDH list that'll let me get the most out of repeatedly casting Smallpox, Pox, Death Cloud, Wildfire, Destructive Force, and Devastation, continually eroding creatures and lands.
1 year ago
The answer is: Superfriends is not a cEDH viable archetype. There's a reason why cEDH decks don't have average converted mana costs of 4.02, and the worst cards in your deck will typically be the Planeswalkers. So, you may not want it to count, but this is like asking how to beat Doomsday/Ad Nauseam Zur with Isamaru, Hound of Konda. Outside of a few hatebears you'll have to mulligan to, you have absolutely no game vs FC Tazri, Doomsday Zur, Grixis Storm, and more.
To give actual advice that may help, though, and not just be contrary:
The best Super Friends deck I've ever seen was a Narset, Enlightened Master build. Yeah, it had no Doubling Season, but it also didn't have to wait until t3 or t4 before it did literally anything at all (what deck wants to pay 5 for Tamiyo when 5 mana gets you Ad Nauseam?). The guy would routinely cast a few Planeswalkers and extra turn spells, and then finish off with Jokulhaups, Devastation, Obliterate, and the like.
The deck was high variance (versus Zur/Tazri/Storm etc. which can consistently win on turns 3-5 if unimpeded), but it was able to race tier 2 Commanders fairly well if he mulliganed to the right cards.
Ramos's mana cost is too high to be a 'storm' type Commander in cEDH, though he can do some cute stuff, and that holds true for Super Friends as well because he requires additional support outside of just casting him (IE, casting a bunch of low cost spells to build up the mana, which Planeswalkers are contradictory toward this gameplan), whereas Narset is just cast + swing. Yeah, you'll lose Doubling Season and every good green Walker, but you gain a reasonable way to cast Jokulhaups on the fourth/fifth turn which, if no one has won the game, will definitely set people back. An active Tezzeret and Narset Walker or Mindsculptor after destroying everything and taking extra turns is basically better, and you're doing all of it faster.
So that's my vote. Run Narset, extra turn spells, big destruction (Armageddon and its ilk), and lots of hate cards. Cursed Totem will probably be a must because you'll have to mulligan to something like Pyroclasm or lose vs Yisan, Arcum, Sisay, etc., Rest in Peace is solid vs Karador, Breya, etc., I'm a huge fan of Aura of Silence, Stranglehold is always good due to cEDH's reliance upon tutors, Winter Orb, Tangle Wire, and probably like 13-15 mana rocks to get Narset out a couple turns earlier so you can get the train rolling by fourth or fifth turn.
1 year ago
Tempt with Discovery might test well.
Assemble the Legion might be a back-up win-con after Armageddon effects.
Other cards that come to mind:
1 year ago
2 Champion of the Parish, 1 Angel of InventionF, 1 Angel of Invention, 1 Settle the Wreckage, 1 Rekindling Phoenix, 1 Devastation, 1 Anger, 2 Exquisite Blood, 1 Bloodline Keeper Flip, 1 Death Baron F, 1 Kalastria Highborn, 1 Crux of Fate F, 1 Griselbrand, 2 Drana, Liberator of Malakir, 1 Conspiracy, 2 Blowfly Infestation, 2 Inquisition of Kozilek, 1 Ghalta, Primal Hunger F, 1 Helix Pinnacle, 6 Triumph of the Hordes, 2 Parallel Lives, 1 Mistbind Clique, 2 Scion of Oona, 1 Torrential Gearhulk F, 1 Admiral's Order F, 1 Hostage Taker, 1 Zacama, Primal Calamity, 1 Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver, 1 Glimpse the Unthinkable, 1 Vraska, Relic Seeker, 1 Dark Intimations F, 1 Olivia Voldaren, 1 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born, 1 Metallic Mimic, 2 Ash Barrens, 2 Botanical Sanctum, 2 Fetid Pools, 1 Drowned Catacomb F, 1 Drowned Catacomb, 2 Inspiring Vantage, 3 Spire of Industry, 1 Marsh Flats
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