Post ban RG Ponza
Modern Deck Help forum
Posted on Feb. 15, 2018, 8:50 a.m. by mikey__G12
With Jace and Bloodbraid in the format, I figured Ponza could be better with the elf. I also added a copy of Thrun to fight Jace, as he can't be bounced. Thoughts?4xArbor Elf 2xBirds of Paradise 3xBloodbraid Elf 3xInferno Titan 4xStormbreath Dragon 1xCourser of Kruphix 1xThrun, the Last Troll 2xChandra, Torch of Defiance4xBlood Moon 4xUtopia Sprawl 2xBeast Within4xMwonvuli Acid-Moss1xPrimal Command 4xStone Rain
8xForest 1xMountain1xKessig Wolf Run 3xStomping Ground4xWindswept Heath4xWooded Foothills
2xGrafdigger's Cage 2xKitchen Finks1xObstinate Baloth 1xScavenging Ooze 1xThragtusk 2xAncient Grudge 2xDismember 1xSudden Shock 2xAnger of the Gods 1xChoke
yeah i aggree BBE is a card to build around not to jam into decks that randomly are in the same colors. I dont think BBE makes ponza much better
February 15, 2018 10:48 a.m.
Well it could make ponza better, if ponza would be less of a ramp deck, and more of a 3cmc (or less) deck
February 15, 2018 11:25 a.m.
I feel like that comment is basically completely useless
February 15, 2018 11:38 a.m.
mikey__G12,
You might want to put the cards in a decklist ... that makes the deck MUCH easier to evaluate :-)
My $0.02 on Ponza with Bloodbraid Elf:
- It's definitely going to be good in Ponza, but I'm not sure it's going to be great. We really need the 10x accelerants, and Cascading BBE into them is pretty meh. And Molten Rain is a poor substitute for Mwonvuli Acid-Moss. With that in mind, I'm guessing BBE Ponza is just going to be WorseJund. There's a ton of folks trying to break it though, so I'm certain that if there is a deck there it will be found!
- Speaking of Jund, if BBE Ponza ends up good, I 'm REALLY hoping it doesn't need Tarmogoyf. I don't personally have any, and with BBE Jund almost certain to be a thing, the price of Goyf is going to go up ... probably way up :-\
FYI, there have been some great discussions and early BBE decklists in the PonzaMTG group over on Reddit ... if you haven't already dropped by, I'd encourage you to do so!
Good luck (and skill) with the brew!
February 15, 2018 11:46 a.m. Edited.
Thrun definitely doesn't need to be in the list. BBE is pretty great at fighting Jace all on its own. Haste is great vs Jace, and they probably won't want to be bouncing it.
DruneGrey says... #2
So I think an important thing to think about when building with BBE is what are you cascading into. You've got 21 hits that break down as 7 "mana" creatures (counting Courser), 4 more ramp in Utopia Sprawl, 8 land attack cards in Blood Moon and Stone Rain, and 2 removal. So more than half is just ramp, and you'd be essentially going from 4 on 4th to 6 on 5th turn but only have 3 6-drops. Also the removal is sometimes just a blank, and a 2nd - 4th Moon doesn't do much. So with rough estimates:
25% Low floor hits50% Low impact Ramp25% Always good hits
That's just how I see it. I think you would need to up the 2/3 drops with a high floor to make BBE work.
February 15, 2018 9:03 a.m.