- 3x Aerial Responder
- 3x Bloodbond Vampire
- 3x Cliffhaven Vampire
- 2x Defiant Bloodlord
- 2x Gifted Aetherborn
- 3x Kambal, Consul of Allocation
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If you're looking for artifact/enchantment removal Fragmentize is you way to go. It deals with pretty much every artifact that matters except Skysovereign, Consul Flagship, but that's what Anguished Unmaking is for.
October 5, 2016 9:49 p.m.
Yeah, I was planning on sideboarding Fragmentize until I saw what the local FNM meta looks like. Also I only have two so far and would want a full playset before mainboarding it.
October 5, 2016 9:53 p.m.
I love the idea of this deck. Feels built for my playstyle may I ask what your thoughts on aetherflux reservoir is?
I feel like this might work great in this deck. You would have a better idea I just bought all the cards that I didnt already have and am waiting to playtest this.
But thanks for the deck! It looks fantastic and Kambal is one of my new favourite cards too !
October 10, 2016 3:08 p.m.
If you're going to run Aetherflux Reservoir, you need to do it in a dedicated lifegain deck, probably mono-white with every creature having lifelink, as well as tons of cheap gain life spells like Chaplain's Blessing and a full playset of Felidar Soverign for the alternate win-con. The reason you need to build it so specific is because the Reservoir is not a card you can just toss out and not expect immediate removal. It is the ultimate Kick-Me sign card.
My deck is not about lifegain, but about making every move your opponent can take hurt them and heal you. Will you gain a bunch of life? Yes. Will you ever gain to 50? Probably not, and even 40 doubtful unless the Lone Rider Flips just tear stuff up. Honestly, the hardest part about building this deck was what to take out, not what to put in. It has to be very focused otherwise faster decks will just run it over.
So yeah, the Reservoir is a neat card, just not right for this deck.
October 10, 2016 10:18 p.m.
Pretty interesting deck... Have you considered running an Aether Hub or two? Sure you can only tap it for a color 1 time on it's own, but that will up your chance of getting an Authority of the Consuls out turn one... Admittedly it's a very small difference... around 2%. However if you were to do something crazy like swap 1 swamp and 3 forsaken sanctuaries for 4 you could increase you chance of casting it on turn one by almost 10%... assuming you are willing to mulligan once. It could cause mana problems later, but it is unlikely that it would (probability wise).
October 13, 2016 midnight
orion I have considered it, just because I have such a large percentage of my mana base that comes in tapped. Unfortunately I only have one playset and it currently resides in an energy burn deck where it is far more useful. I definitely agree with your assessment, though.
October 13, 2016 8:51 a.m.
What's your opinion of Collective Brutality I feel it could fit nicely into this deck giving you a bit more hand attack and life gain.
October 16, 2016 9:44 a.m.
Collective Brutality is an awesome card, but it doesn't quite fit here because of the discard. It is very rare that I would want to dump anything out of my hand in this deck, because other than Sorin I have no card advantage. Now I have a full playset in a Rakdos burn/madness deck and it rocks there. Good suggestion, just not quite right here.
October 16, 2016 1:51 p.m.
Liking the Aerial Responder add. Much better than lone rider in my playtest though lone rider does some work if you can get him up quick. Also any other card you may reccommend for side boarding in place of Felidar im not too much of a fan of the card. For now I added in another Harsh scrutiny. (That card can do wonders though 4 i agree does seem like way to many)
October 16, 2016 10:56 p.m.
Love the idea. I currently am tinkering with a very similar deck theme. Vampires are one of my favorite tribes in Magic; and white-black is much more enjoyable to me than the red-black alternative. Personally; I like using Collective Brutality and using it either for a quick 2; or escalating it and discarding Alms of the Vein to madness for B and turn it into a lose 5, gain 5 and inst/sorc discarding.
October 16, 2016 11:50 p.m.
I like the deck. My only worry is that Sorin, Grim Nemesis is too expensive to summon and might end up slowing down the early game (although I have considered adding it to my own deck). Essence Extraction might be a good swap. ...+1
October 17, 2016 1:30 a.m.
The only time I've run into issues with Sorin's cost is when I pull him before turn 4 or so, and even then it isn't a big deal. This is a slow, grindy, death-of-a-thousand-cuts kind of deck. You get an Authority, you get a Kambal, you get a Cliffhaven, and then you sit back and watch your opponent pick their poison. If Sorin doesn't show up, fine, but if he does the end game just accelerates. He's icing on the cake.
As for Essence Extraction, it's already in my maybeboard. I've been experimenting with it and I think it might be a good sideboard card against go-wide decks, but not as a main.
October 17, 2016 9:18 a.m.
October 17, 2016 9:46 a.m.
walnutsmbYeah, I just discovered that card a day or two ago, much better choice. I have no copies yet so I didn't add it to the deck. Thanks!
October 17, 2016 12:42 p.m.
Rhamnales I like keeping a singleton of the Felidar kicking around just in case of a mirror match or someone who goes wide with something like zombie tokens and wants to overwhelm me, life gain from Authority be damned. Completely an optional card, so if you find something that you like better, run with it and let me know how it works for you.
October 19, 2016 11:20 a.m.
archangelnkd The + combo is a fave of mine in my Rakdos Madness burn deck, but the funny thing about this deck is that I actually want my opponent to play cards. If, for example, I have a Kambal, 2 Authorities, and a Cliffhaven in play (and I have by turn 5 in the past) every creature they play nets me 2 life and costs them 2, while every spell nets me 2 and costs them 3. While the Brutality/Alms combo can drain 5, it's on my mana not theirs, which leaves me less to use on removal in case they get something annoying into play. Besides, I love watching them squirm as their own actions hurt them. Guess I'm a sadist. :-D
PS, if you want to check out the deck I mentioned above, it's here: Leave A Beautiful Corpse (Rakdos Energy Burn)
October 19, 2016 11:33 a.m.
I like Vampire Cutthroat in this deck - it certainly both provides an early board presence and adds to the theme. The more conventional approach is Kalastria Healer which really does nothing with Kambal, Consul of Allocation and Lone Rider Flip. I would look for ways to speed up the deck.
October 21, 2016 7:56 a.m.
Murphy77 I agree with both of your assessments. I had a pre-KLD build that did exactly what you mentioned, ran Healers and Zulaport Cutthroat and such, and it just didn't have enough kick. Of course, if I had unlimited funds I'd forgo the allies completely and run Kalitas and Brusela, but I am opposed to spending more than $10 on a single card, both morally and financially. :-)
As for speed, it's not as much of an issue as you'd think as long as I get an Authority on Turn 1. That gives me the window to get to turn 3 or so with minimal damage taken, by which point I always have some removal in hand to deal with anything truly annoying. So the key with this deck is mulligan mulligan mulligan. I absolutely need a draw with an Authority and and both colors sources, and I don't mind going to 6 or even 5 to make sure of that.
October 21, 2016 9:51 a.m.
I like it! Very straightforward and to the point. Does this deck have much trouble against bounce decks? Decks that use spells like Unsubstantiate and the like?
October 23, 2016 5:54 a.m.
I haven't had a chance to run it against a true control deck yet, but like any combo deck control is likely to be a tough opponent. I built it anticipating a lot of aggro and artifacts in the local meta.
October 23, 2016 10:20 p.m.
Some things I noticed Biting Rain can't be countered by Ceremonious Rejection, while Flaying Tendrils can, so I'd stick with the Rain.Sorin, Grim Nemesis is really expensive (casting wise), so potentially look into Liliana, the Last Hope since you use a lot of creatures. (although Lily is Expensive Value-wise).Last thing I was thinking was: what about Triskaidekaphobia?Also, I'd suggest another Kambal, Consul of Allocation or two if you play a lot of Control in your Local FNM (Like I do))
Otherwise: LOVE the deck! -
October 24, 2016 2:18 p.m.
Edit: Didn't notice the 3x Kambal in the Mainboard. Ignore that portion of the comment.
October 24, 2016 2:22 p.m.
InAmberClad117, I would love to add a couple of Lilys to the deck ... and a few Briselas and a couple of Kalitas and, while we're at it I would also like a pony. :-P
Sadly, I am a budget player and cannot justify $20-30 cards. On the flip, I also just play at FNM, so who gives a damn as long as I'm competitive, right?
As for Trisk, that's a card you need to build a whole deck around, not one you can just splash and call good enough. Fun suggestion, tho.
October 24, 2016 3:36 p.m.
I'm a pretty casual player but have been around long enough to know how standard works. I completely understand being a budget player. (In Graduate School)I think Bruna would actually make some sense with this being a more grindy kind of deck. Plus she's not expensive at all. Look into a thing called "PucaTrade"?
October 25, 2016 9:45 a.m.
Unless you are running other angels or humans, Bruna, the Fading Light is just a 7-drop beater, at which point I would rather just run Defiant Bloodlord for the synergies. Which I am considering, BTW.
October 25, 2016 11:09 a.m.
Honestly, I would try to get 2x or 3x Always Watching into the deck. I have a somewhat similar deck (B/W Another crappy life gain/drain deck) and I have had good success with Always Watching . The vigilance is actually the best part. I can sit passively and let the creatures, etc... do their job and life gain/drain without ever attacking, but I can also swing with fliers (e.g., Drana's Emissary) without sacrificing defense.
Just a suggestion! Good luck!
October 25, 2016 11:22 p.m.
I only have 1 of Always Watching . I will have to pick a couple more up and see how it works. Thanks!
October 25, 2016 11:49 p.m.
I really like this kind of deck! As a returning player from a 10 years hiatus I can't give any valuable advice, I've been off the grid for too long, but if you don't mind I'll wait until you tweak and playtest this a little bit more. And then it might as well become my first post-hiatus deck.
October 28, 2016 7:10 p.m.
Nice, I am playing around with the idea of something similar but with more of an aggro lean, but you have some good ideas too with the life drain on the board. +1.
November 9, 2016 7:02 p.m.
Yeah, I've seen some aggro variants that forgo most of the lifedrain in lieu of power lifelink cards like Kalitas and Gisela. Nice ideas but I don't have the funds to drop $200+ on 12 cards.
November 9, 2016 7:49 p.m.
I put something together that's still reasonably budgethttp://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wb-pain-gain/
November 10, 2016 2:43 p.m.
[Let's try that again] (http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wb-pain-gain/)
November 10, 2016 2:43 p.m.
If you want to link a deck, the format is double open bracket, DECK, colon, complete deck name separated by hyphens, double close bracket. So this one (with deliberate mistakes so you can see the formatting) would be bracket[deck:Grim-Allocations-(Orzhov-Lifedrain)]bracket
November 10, 2016 5:15 p.m.
How about Zulaport Cutthroat to get some extra value out of your creatures if they die and Retreat to Hagra to drain gain for 1 just for playing a land? I think those would slot nicely in place of Aetherborn Marauder and Aetherflux Reservoir
November 28, 2016 12:38 p.m.
I also feel that this deck is rather weak against other planeswalkers, so perhaps Ruinous Path instead of Anguished Unmaking? I know it doesn't exile the permanent but if your local meta isn't playing a bunch of graveyard retrieval, it shouldn't be much of an issue.
November 28, 2016 1:04 p.m.
First, thanks for the recommendations. I'll take them one by one.
Zulaport Cutthroat: great card, but not here. The deck's biggest lack is a finisher, and another ping damage source isn't gonna cut it. Where they really shine is in a sacrifice deck, which is where I have mine.
Ruinous Path vs Anguished Unmaking: actually, exile is an important part of playing against my local meta, since there are several Dredge and Delirium players there. Also, Path doesn't work so well on the hated Looter Scooter. I do plan on getting a playset to sideboard against 'walker heavy decks.
As for your suggested removes, I already ditched the Marauders and plan on replacing them with Bloodbond Vampire. As for the Resevoirs, they are an experiment. Once I get to try them out I will decide whether they stay or go.
Thanks for the feedback!
November 28, 2016 2:28 p.m.
Well if you're looking for a finisher, I'm using Noxious Gearhulk in my gain drain deck as it synergies well with both Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet (I know you don't want to be spendy, but I have them already) and Cliffhaven Vampire 6 drop that gets you a 5/4 body with menace, kills a creature, gains you life, and creates a token if Kalitas is on board works well for me!
And in reference to the silly looter scooter that everyone seems to love to play, Fragmentize is a much easier and cheaper way to remove it. And Ruinous Path awakened makes your Shambling Vent a 6/7 with lifelink, which can also work as a closer! Just something to think about.
November 28, 2016 4:17 p.m.
December 19, 2016 8:46 a.m.
Drana's Emissary in place of the marauder seems good.
December 21, 2016 1:41 p.m.
Lone Rider Flip and Drana's Emissary are both cards I had in earlier builds of this deck. I pulled the former to add in Aerial Responder and the latter to make room for more removal. As for Noxious Gearhulk, it's definitely on my list of possible adds. I only have one so far, and would like at least one more before adding them in.
December 22, 2016 1:34 a.m.
This is a really awesome deck, I haven't seen a lifegain control deck in standard before which is cool. However, I think you need another payoff card for your lifegain as Aetherflux Reservoir doesn't seem quite reliable enough in this type of shell. Have you thought about Bloodbond Vampire to replace the Aetherborn Marauders? The counters will get out of control quick and it also dodges the first part of Fatal Push which is very nice. Felidar Sovereign could be useful too, as it seems a little more manageable with what you have going on. Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim could be fun too as you'll easily get to enough life to start exiling everything your opponent controls. Just a few suggestions! Good luck improving the deck further
January 27, 2017 1 p.m.
graybones You beat me to it, I had already planned on swapping the Marauder for Bloodbond, I just hadn't made the edits here yet. As for Ayli, all the creatures in the deck serve a purpose, so saccing them to power another removal outlet (when I have 12) is not a high priority.
Thanks for the input!
January 28, 2017 1:01 a.m.
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