New hubs to be added

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Posted on Nov. 12, 2020, 12:28 a.m. by legendofa

Hi all, I'm one of the people who adds hubs, I'm back from an unexpectedly long break, and I'm working on adding some new stuff. Suggestions I'm looking at are Uro, Mutate, Miracles, Doomsday, Adventures, Devoted Druid, and Blink. Please let me know of any other suggestions, or discussions on the ones I listed, and I'll get to work.

Also, what did I miss with the DragonShield superhero stuff?

KibaAlpha says... #1

I take it these changes are why I can no longer find the "Death and Taxes" and "Pillowfort" hubs?

November 19, 2020 4:18 p.m.

yeaGO says... #2

sorry, that was due to a bug please try again.

November 19, 2020 4:23 p.m.

TheVectornaut says... #3

Thank you guys so much for the update. The new tribal hubs are much more user friendly now. That said, I'm not seeing boxes for mechanic hubs or color hubs next to the creature type boxes. Are those found somewhere else?

Edit: I now see that the color hub auto-populates after updating a deck. Still not seeing mechanics though, unless I was incorrect about mechanics referring to keywords.

November 19, 2020 9:41 p.m.

ellie-is says... #4

Don't know if it's just this hub or if some tribes that already had hubs got accidentally deleted on the change to the new system, but it's not letting me add Faerie to a deck that has 8 of them across 3 different cards, but it lets me add Pirate, of which there's just 3 copies of a single card. Not an issue for the deck in particular, but I figured I should point it out :)

Edit: Oh, also, were keyword abilities removed? They were showing up the other day but aren't anymore.

November 20, 2020 2:21 p.m. Edited.

yeaGO says... #5

You should be able to just check the box on your deck next to the hub dropdown

November 20, 2020 2:27 p.m.

ellie-is says... #6

Yeah, I know where it was! It's working now, it's also showing Wizard, which wasn't before. No idea why it happened, maybe it took a while to check the latest version of the deck or something? But at least everything is working now :)

November 20, 2020 7:54 p.m.

yeaGO says... #7

Hmmm weird

November 20, 2020 9:21 p.m.

RemoteV says... #8

I suggest Auras be added as a Hub Archetype.

November 20, 2020 10:57 p.m.

RemoteV says... #9

I suggest Big Red be added as a hub archetype, I have several different versions of big red anyway.. More ideas probably coming shortly.

November 20, 2020 11:05 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #10

RemoteV: Isn't big red just mono-red aggroish midrange? Also auras is in, it's Auras Hexproof.

November 21, 2020 2:44 a.m.

RemoteV says... #11

Mid-range makes sense for big red. However, as far as auras go I think that while auras are a sub set of enchantment and I think I will use that hub instead if I have to, cards like hateful eidolon interact with Auras specifically. Not sure if that qualifies. Also, I notice that in the deck builder aura swap (which is an activated ability) is a hub. But, that hub has no decks.

November 21, 2020 3:31 a.m.

woll3Y says... #12

Tribal should certainly be a hub.

November 21, 2020 10:13 a.m.

McDuckington says... #13

Treasure. WIth all the wincons and cards related to it, its practically a tribal now.

November 21, 2020 1:38 p.m.

MagicMarc says... #14

Didnt we have tribal as a hub?

November 21, 2020 1:42 p.m.

jamochawoke says... #15

Somehow Allies is missing now as a Tribe. They are still printing relevant Allies in sets and probably will continue to do so.

November 22, 2020 5:10 p.m.

yeaGO says... #16

we fixed a display bug here so all should be working fine

November 22, 2020 8:19 p.m.

saber4734 says... #17

Can we get a hub for +1/+1 counters and a separate one for Counterspells to distinguish the two?

November 23, 2020 10:19 a.m.

Sscars says... #18

Zombies, Elves, Slivers. Just a couple from me :)

November 23, 2020 12:07 p.m.

yeaGO says... #19

Those are available

November 23, 2020 3:38 p.m.

TheVectornaut says... #20

Thanks for the update. Can confirm that keywords are appearing as intended now.

November 23, 2020 9:02 p.m.

TheMyrMan says... #21

Can we have one for Shrines and some for decks all about Paying Life?

November 24, 2020 10:26 p.m.

TheMyrMan says... #22

Also, I'm surprised there isn't already one for Wheel decks, or Landfall

November 24, 2020 10:29 p.m.

TheMyrMan says... #23

Sorry to keep adding here, but I'm just putting hubs on my decks and discovering what's missing. Can we also have a Donate hub for stuff like Zedruu and Blim, and one for Forced Combat?

November 24, 2020 10:33 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #24

TheMyrMan: Important thing about hubs: Don't make a hub for every single possible play or deck style. Especially not for edh. There's a hub for every commander. Just search for those commanders. We are already making changes because the hub list was too long.

November 25, 2020 12:08 a.m.

alkymyst says... #25

A hub like "Defenders" or "Toughness Matters" or something like that would definitely be welcome with all the new cards printed (semi) recently to support it.

November 25, 2020 4:20 p.m.

TheVectornaut says... #26

alkymyst, TM does exist as a hub now. Also, both the wall creature type and the defender keyword are available to select via the new box-ticking system. Having them be three distinct hubs is particularly useful for distinguishing between strategies that don’t always overlap, and having only one of them in the main hub menu helps to streamline hub selection.

November 26, 2020 3:06 a.m.

alkymyst says... #27

oh, whoops, didn't see it had been added, sorry for the... useless filling of space, let's call it, that I caused.

November 26, 2020 10:52 a.m.

wegnerdevin says... #28

If we're allowed to suggest any hub then I'd like to nominate a Flavor tag. I know I'm not the only flavor deck-builder out there, the representation would be nice.

November 30, 2020 1:11 a.m.

legendofa says... #29

wegnerdevin Vorthos is the hub for flavor- or story- based decks. It's one of the designers' nicknames for different groups of players.

November 30, 2020 9:38 a.m.

Epicurus says... #30

I'd like to see Landfall, Cascade and Draw as hubs. That's all I got.

December 6, 2020 10:25 p.m. Edited.

legendofa says... #31

I apologize for the delay in hub additions. I was waiting for the creature type and ability update to be finalized, and got caught up in my usual collection of random brews. I'll get working on this tomorrow, hope to be done by the day after.

December 7, 2020 12:43 a.m.

I personally think there should be an Owling Mine category, to symbolise decks that get your opponent to draw cards and punish them for it.

December 7, 2020 6:59 a.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #33

Lobster_Emperor: That's called Force Feed. Which is a hub.

December 9, 2020 3:20 a.m.

hashtagDJYOLO says... #34

I have no idea if this has already been mentioned, but there's a new up-and-coming format named "Rush" which I think should have a hub. I don't think it deserves its own format category at its current size, but I think it has the numbers enough on its dedicated Discord server (nearly 1000) to warrant hub

December 10, 2020 6:38 a.m.

Arcadius86 says... #35

'Group Hugs' maybe? I don't know how popular the archetype is, but it can't be that obscure (EDHREC has it, and certain commanders are built for it).

December 11, 2020 5:40 a.m.

Arcadius86 says... #36

Never mind; I didn't realize it was still there with the new suggested hub system.

December 11, 2020 5:42 a.m.

Last_Laugh says... #37


'Sac For Value' should be a hub. I run Grixis Marchesa and really struggle to find a main hub that defines a deck that's similar to Aristocrats but doesn't focus on draining life. This helps cover decks like KCI/Ashnod's type sacrifice too.

'ETB Abuse' also comes to mind as a possible hub. I know this usually falls under Blink, but there're decks with this as the main goal that don't blink anything.

December 13, 2020 1:08 a.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #38

Last_Laugh: Aristocrats is already a hub, sac for value is just, sacrifice. ETB Abuse is ... eh. That's just generic synergy and any deck can be heavy with etb abuse. Less overly generic hubs the better. Focus on really unique possible deck construction or competitive archetypes.

December 13, 2020 1:43 a.m.

Last_Laugh says... #39

Femme_Fatale Do you ever agree with anything people suggest for hubs? Literally EVERY post you've made in this thread (and EVERY other "there should be a hub for X" thread) shoots down every idea suggested... even the ones legendofa has accepted and added.

Reread my post... I KNOW Aristocrats is already a hub, but that has to do with life drain via sacrifice. I'm after the other payoffs for sacrifice, it's the entire point of my deck, and there isn't a "Sacrifice" hub for that.

I'll agree that ETB Abuse is super generic but outside of blink nothing covers this archtype so I figured I'd throw it out there.

December 13, 2020 3:07 a.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #40

Last_Laugh I don't agree with most hub suggestions because I don't see a reason to have it. Just because someone has a deck for it doesn't mean it should be a hub. If that were the case we'd have over 500 hubs. If you see this comment you'll see the extent of what I think should be focused for hubs, like it has been maintained and managed in the past.

Let me put it like this way: if people want a hub for every possible deck archetype or combo or synergy or effect ... then there's no reason to have hubs, as that is a logistical maintenance nightmare. The goal of what users would want from that would be better achieved through a search of "decks containing X card/combo/keyword/tag and/or/not y card/combo/keyword/tag" (for when we get tags on this site sometime in the distant future). It would also be a lot easier and more robust to navigate for the user than scrolling through a list of 500+ hubs.

However, KCI I think should be a hub, because it's far more than just a sacrifice value deck It's a very specific deck list that has shown up in competitive from time to time and has a very complex style of play and interaction.

December 13, 2020 5:02 a.m.

Suggest that Pingers is a viable hub. Check out my submission:

December 15, 2020 10:50 a.m.

Tacovine says... #42

How about Redirect?.. as in hit your own creatures and redirect damage to opponents.

December 17, 2020 9:15 a.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #43

These are more mechanics rather than prominent deck archetypes. Sure you could build a deck around them but you could build a deck around ANY mechanic. Doesn't make sense to list them all.

December 17, 2020 8:07 p.m.

zaqwsx82211 says... #44

I just built a pinger/"Tim" deck and was sad I couldn't mark it as such! I want to go fin other tims

December 18, 2020 8:59 a.m.

I'm surprised Clone effect isn't it's own hub and I'd like to recommend it.

December 19, 2020 2:31 p.m.

This is another vote for Clone. With the new Sakashima partner commander, this should be even more popular. My submission to the discussion:

December 20, 2020 10:53 a.m.

sylvannos says... #47

I agree with legendofa, we need hubs for Ad Nauseam, MUD, Belcher, and Xerox. These are all archetypes frequently present in Legacy and Vintage, sometimes overlapping into EDH or having Modern ports.

Ad Nauseam is, of course, built around the card Ad Nauseam. Frequently Ad Nauseam into Tendrils of Agony earns the deckname ANT. Doomsday ANT is another popular deck, and arguably the hardest deck to play in MtG (there's about a dozen ways to accidentally kill yourself early in the game).

MUD stands for "Mishra's Ultimate Domination" and refers to the old borders on artifacts, such as Black Lotus. Sometimes this deck is referred to as "Mono-Brown." It relies on Mishra's Workshop with the occasional Mishra's Factory to cheat out huge threats early on in the game. Initially, it was pretty much limited to Vintage. But in recent years, the deck has been moved over to Legacy where it uses Cloudpost instead of Mishra's Workshop. People have also tried playing the deck in Modern, trying to abuse Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere, and Lodestone Golem. However, Modern doesn't have the powerful mana to make the deck stronger than Eldrazi or regular Tron. What separates this deck from other colorless decks and Tron, however, is its ability to abuse "artifacts matter" mechanics.

Goblin Charbelcher has been one of the most popular combo cards since it was first printed. It sees play in every format it's legal in, since it's one of the most consistent turn 1 kills in Magic.

Xerox is definitely something that has gotten more viable as the game gets bigger. It's a type of tempo-control deck that relies on cantrips to constantly generate value. The archetype is viable in Vintage, Legacy, and Pauper. I've even messed around with it in Standard. As more cards like Opt, Serum Visions, Thought Scour, Brainstorm, and so on get printed, the viability of the deck across all formats only increases.

Show and Tell/Sneak Attack/Through the Breach/Eureka/Hypergenesis/Channel are IMO all part of the same archetype of putting dumb cards into play for no mana. Probably could put this all under the hub of "Sneak and Show."

@RemoteV & Femme_Fatale: "Big Red" is the Standard/Modern version of Dragon Stompy. Use a strong mana base to pump out prison cards and cheap, efficient threats like Bonecrusher Giant or Inferno Titan. Stompy decks are typically built around Sol lands (Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors) and other fast mana. I think what we really need is a hub for Stompy decks. Mono-Green Stompy is one of the oldest archetypes in Magic and I'm surprised there isn't a hub for it already. There's also Fairy Stompy, Sea Stompy, and MUD. If MUD doesn't get a hub, we definitely need Stompy to file it under.

December 21, 2020 5:01 p.m.

LunchBox1211 says... #48

Hi TappedOut Admins! Could you guys add "Legendary" or Legends Matter" as a deck hub? Thanks, and Merry hristmas/Happy New Year!

December 26, 2020 7:30 p.m.

legendofa says... #49

For now, I'm going to be grouping Oath of Druids into Sneak and Show. The working name here is Creature Cheat, but I'm open to other suggestions. These cards all have the goal of putting big creature out for low or no mana, but don't use the graveyard like Reanimator.

December 27, 2020 4:04 p.m.

mrkeithguy says... #50

My coin flip deck needs a hub!

January 7, 2021 2:32 p.m.

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