Rite of Replication in EDH.
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Dec. 18, 2012, 9:44 p.m. by Ohthenoises
I won't put it in context because it may sway opinions but what are everyone's thoughts on Rite of Replication in EDH?
Fantastic. Just fantastic. It is so easy to get the kicker cost, and you can do all sorts of wacky shenanigans, like getting out 6 Consecrated Sphinx and decking yourself on your opponents draw step.
December 18, 2012 9:59 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #4
I guess I didn't really answer the question, but I agree with DaCeltics. It's fantastic.
December 18, 2012 10 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #5
Fair enough, I was considering cutting it but I suppose I won't.
December 18, 2012 10:04 p.m.
Gatecrashed says... #6
I personally love it, in edh worst case scenario it's 4 mana to kill their commander, and getting 5 Thundermaw Hellkite s or something ridiculous like that is crazy fun.
December 18, 2012 10:21 p.m.
pookypuppy6 says... #7
I got 5 copies of Nemesis of Reason , which was actually the creature that my general, The Mimeoplasm , had become. Milled my friend for 60 cards. He only had 50 by that point.
Good days. Great card, it's quite fun. Solemn Simulacrum is also a good target, offers obscene card advantage. But you're more likely to use it to make an army of creatures that can win you the game.
December 18, 2012 10:27 p.m.
Before primetime was banned. One opponent casts Primeval Titan , gets some lands. On my turn I kick the Rite, two turns later 1 opponent is dead and the titans are failing to find. It's also really fun in a Riku deck, why make only 5 Craterhoof Behemoth when you can make 10!
December 18, 2012 10:55 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #9
I was thinking Sovereigns of Lost Alara with Bruna, Light of Alabaster out.
December 18, 2012 10:59 p.m.
Killjoy_Guy says... #10
whats better than a Rite of Replication and a Guttersnipe ?... copy Rite of Replication to get 11 Guttersnipe s... just..... ROFL
December 18, 2012 11:07 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
Rite of Replication is good in a casual EDH environment and it can be decent in semi-competitive decks, but it's underpowered at the high level. It doesn't really do enough when you're staring down three combo-control decks.
It's hard to find a better use for Rite of Replication than copying a Reaper King .
December 18, 2012 11:17 p.m.
the problem I have with it is its an 'I win' card, which I am not a fan of really, it makes the game end too abruptly and in a meta where we don't play counters because they ruin the fun it won't get stopped. I love the card but its too easy to tap land and say I win, for the same reason we don't play tutors and I have powered down stuff like Defense of the Heart and Tooth and Nail to only get one creature because again they are just I win cards. I am the only person who can afford to purchase such expensive cards as the last 2 as well so it certainly isn't biased :-P. Great card but in a format where the target will be stupid almost always, Magmatic Force !?!? happened more than once lol, it can hurt the people who have more casual decks IMO. Once I used Sen Triplets to take one persons Frost Titan one turn then on a second turn i took and kicked the other guys Rite of Replication on said titan and won the game. I used this as an example as to why people shouldn't run it. I run it in one mono blue control deck that copies creatures almost exclusively cuz its just an auto include for blue much as Consecrated Sphinx and prime time was. auto include good stuff makes things the same and bland between decks.
Just realised the length of this semi rant lol. In short too many people run it and it spoils games IMO
December 19, 2012 3:20 a.m.
atreyujames says... #13
maiden77: in my opinion it only spoils games when a person is playing a deck that is too weak for the play group they are playing with. its when a new player goes up against a bunch of stronger players, then whines when a Rite of Replication stomps him/her. in this case its not exactly anyone's fault, but the new player would have to realise that he/she must get better or at least make a feasible deck to play with his/her group. whining about a card that is only powerful when paired with equally powerful creatures is a pretty backward idea.
in my general idea if your playing and you see a new player, try and teach them how to be better or help them build a better deck. then they can see that strong card like Rite of Replication doesn't spoil games but makes them more exciting. its one of the thrills of the game, trying to beat 6 Frost Titan s, and if you can do it, then you can feel a sense of accomplishment. im not calling you a new player and if it seems this way I apologize. I just believe that saying that a card spoils a game and too many people play it is one way that formats become less fun. that's like people saying that Thragtusk is spoiling games in standard because too many people run it, its just an opinion that seems like whining
December 19, 2012 4:24 a.m.
a card that is too prevalent in a format is the definition of ruining it which I think you have missed, when a format runs the card too much it ruins it, aka Stoneforge Mystic , Primeval Titan in EDH, Jace, The Mind Sculpter this is not opinion it is factual, these cards got banned because they were literally run this card or lose essentially along with other reasons we don't need to go into. I certainly aren't saying that RoR is the same but when a game ends because of that one card constantly then yeah, it sees play too much. I am not whining about the card per se as I have been playing EDH for around 3 years and have 11 IRL decks for the format and usually it is me that wins the games. I just don't like seeing 'good stuff' decks I suppose. I try to run themes and make sure my decks don't just all contain 'good stuff' aka i have one deck with Consecrated Sphinx in even though about 5 could run it. I suppose I just want every game to be different and random and every deck to be unique and different and when they end to RoR too often it is no longer random. every green deck ran prime time and every blue deck runs cons sphinx and RoR. no originality. Ohthenoises wanted our opinions and this is my humble opinion. :-)
December 19, 2012 5:29 a.m.
smash10101 says... #15
atreyujames, what I got out of that post: cast Rite of Replication on Thragtusk
anyways, I like it. it's stupid good in many situations, but that's assuming someone else (or you) have something stupid good to copy.
Kokusho, the Evening Star : auto 25 life drain (and kill the original)Bogardan Hellkite : 25 damage divided as you choose among up to 25 targetsGeist-Honored Monk : 10 1/1 spirits and 5 15/15+ monks, let's just say it's a good thing I had a board wipe in hand after someone managed to copy right 4 times targeting this one (40 1/1s and 20 60/60s)
In short, fun, good card, except it's not so good that it should be banned, it's only a sorcery and it costs 9 for the good version
December 19, 2012 5:40 a.m.
agreed certainly not bannable, but 9 mana is really easy to achieve in EDH and I think personally that people are concentrating on winning and losing the essence of EDH by just including 'staples' its a sick card agreed but this and many others are just too often seen in a 'random' singleton format. Although now my playgroup doesn't run any tutors the game is much more fun so seeing a RoR or Avacyn, Angel of Hope is actualy awesome now (even when you don't play them lol)
December 19, 2012 5:45 a.m.
smash10101 says... #17
9 mana is not prohibitively high, but it's still gonna take most of what you can do that turn, especially if you want to copy it. and I always love seeing avacyn in edh seeing as i'm the only one who plays her in my playgroup.
in my opinion, the best edh game is one where someone does something epic, or tries to go off, etc, only to be one upped by the next player. My last game involved someone Fling ing for 25, me Wild Ricochet ing to kill him and another player, then casting Storm Herd for 63 during my turn. The last player cast Overwhelming Stampede twice (using Revive ) for the win. That is EDH, not that we all had staples like RoR and such, but those epic plays that get out shined by the next even epicer play.
December 19, 2012 5:55 a.m.
atreyujames says... #18
maiden77: i guess it really comes down to the type of player you are. i think cards like RoR are amazing in that they can end up with so many fun interactions. I have had a game where i've copied a Evil Twin that had copied an Essence of the Wild and then had some of those essences stolen. it all ended up with all of us having armies of essences that can kill all the other armies. In my kind of games RoR can lead to amazingly fun interactions and varying games. its not always play RoR, get 5 cons. sphinxs. but i do also know people who would agree with your opinion so i guess i know where your coming from =)
December 19, 2012 6:01 a.m.
I agree it can be fun and I think now the game has no tutors it will be enjoyable once more. I think my opinion on RoR got tainted by some guy playing Riku who just ramped until he had like 30 lands every game just to copy broken creatures in absurd quantity but because we are all friends we always attack each other equally throughout the game so that everybody is on equal life throughout most of the time. So rather than us kill him before he 'goes off' we just ate away at each person then he went off and spoiled the fun by having too many resources that granted, we allowed him to have lol. He doesn't play anymore though and the last RoR that happended was on a Gomazoa !! lol just to block people :-)
December 19, 2012 6:49 a.m.
BiggRedd54 says... #20
RoR is awesome!! Especially on Precursor Golem ! lol
December 19, 2012 1:21 p.m.
I RTR'd acidic slime in my Riku deck and copied LOL. I love it.
December 20, 2012 8:46 p.m.
If it was an instant I would copy it onto Spellbinder . I don't think using a card to advantage is cheating, it's improvising. Building a good balanced deck is difficult and victory is earned. Plus even if someone copies a bunch of creatures a board wipe like Phyrexian Rebirth , Martial Coup , or even Dregs of Sorrow could destroy them. Phyrexian Rebirth would leave you more tokens to attack with. Who would have the advantage than? I won a game once in two-headed giant by taking Avacyn, Angel of Hope with Switcheroo right before my teammate dropped that bomb. After the fact of my general being killed by replication.
January 27, 2013 11:55 p.m.
MTG_Player says... #23
its amazing for 2 reasons
1: the extremely high level of creatures in EDH
2: killing legendary creatures
'nuff said.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #2
I watched a game where a kicked Rite of Replication copied an opponents Chancellor of the Annex and gave the player a ridiculous advantage. Of course the guy forgot about the original Chancellor of the Annex , and his own Force of Will was countered because he was tapped out lol.
December 18, 2012 9:58 p.m.