thegigibeast: Here you go A Heart Three Sizes Too Small (turn 1 win)

I would love some criticisms/suggestions on the list. There are actually two lists I am working on that are similar. The one I am linking is my primer, which is still somewhat of a mid-range combo deck. Within the description of that primer is a link for the pure combo version which is probably more suited for CEDH. If you plan on play testing the deck copy the deck first and play test the copy. For some reason the play tester is always outdated and you will get a bunch of cards that I cut weeks ago. If you copy the deck it fixes the glitch.

I was just about to say there's another target in Torrent Elemental and I looked again and it's an ability. DAMN YOU WOTC!

Anyways, It seems decent as a combo for sure.

@thegigibeast: Colorless folds to Null Rod and Stony Silence, both of which can easy come down turn 1-2. Not only are colorless decks crippled without ramp, they has almost no way to deal with those cards (Silence gets hit by All Is Dust/Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. Null Rod... Scour from Existence? Notice all of those spells are uncastably expensive without artifact ramp). There's just no way to overcome those shortfalls, especially when the primary goal is to cast a 10-drop.

May I ask how Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind is Tier 2? It is a very powerful deck where the commander himself gives card advantage and is a combo withhimself and other cards just like Sharuum the Hegemon. along with blue counterspells to back the deck up.

what is something i could use urabrask fro other than beats?i was thinking a weird stax type deal or somethin'. (nah mean saying?)

I'm sorry if this has been asked before but is there a thread for a list of 1v1 generals by tier as well? I see some of these generals work well in a group and not in a 1v1. And other generals work extremely well in 1v1 and not in a group.

@DasTree I don't believe so, especially considering that it wasn't created as a 1 on 1 format and doesn't work that well as one and also I'm full of salt

Lol ok. I was just asking since my LGS started doing EDH Tourneys, but they are using a 1v1 format probably to speed up play. thanks though. I'll continue to look around

@DasTree: If you want a good resource for 1v1 (French) EDH, I would advice checking out MTGTop8. It has multiple optimized decklists for all of the highest-performing 1v1 commander. It has not yet changed to reflect the most recent ban list update though.

Why Gisa and Geralf is tier 3?

I'm guessing because they are in a strong color combination and they win with Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake and Archaeomancer + Ghostly Flicker and drake. You can blink them to mill yourself and then cast from the graveyard Gray Merchant of Asphodel, then blink him until you have killed the table. I honestly see them as strong tier 3.

Yup, that was my idea at first. Good color combination to combo, has access to both blue for counterspell/protection/control/draw/dig and black for removal/tutor/general good cards. I found it kind of a pseudo Karador, Ghost Chieftain, but in other colors with a slightly different ability. Never playtested with it though, so I don't know if it is worthy of tier 3, I would need advice on this.

I love that my commander yisan is tier one it makes me very happy

So I have a question, is there anyone that y'all are aware of that keeps an up to date Azami? I'm interested in building her with Docent of Perfection  ^Flip but a lot of the cedh lists I can find via Google are, seemingly, out of date.

I play Azami and considering that you should win before casting Docent of Perfection  ^Flip I wouldnt include it in a tuned competitive deck. It also competes with Azami's casting cost.

I know, my meta is more competicasual so I really just want to add it and syphon most of the deck from CEDH.

I'll check yours out, thanks.

@Ohthenoises

Scroll up a bit and check the one I posted earlier in this thread for an updated version :) It's a bit cut-throat and I'd remove some of the combo pieces if you dont wannna win but have a good time

@NarejED

Did some cutting. The cost is now at 3,1 - still a bit high, but feel like it's playing a lot smoother. Not sure if I'd be willig to cut the mana dubbeling effects as they yeild infinite mana sooo often when I play the deck - even if they are expencive to cast. Ideas?

How is thraximundar tier 4 but grimgrin tier 3? Is it due to the grimgrin gravecrawler rooftop storm combo?Because my thraximundar absolutely pooped on a prossh food chain deck in a tournament

@davidsays1 - Grimgrin is a sac outlet in the command zone, while Thraximundar is a value beater.

@xShawn Niv-Mizzet is worse than other combo generals because of the lack of good tutors (specifically the black ones that decks like Sharuum and Karador have access to). Also a few of the Niv-Mizzet combo cards are worse on their own than the combo pieces other generals use. Still a powerful general, but not tier 1 anymore.

@Winther: The only mana doubling effect worth playing in blue is High Tide. I would drop all others if you haven't already.

Actually, Extraplanar Lens works fine as a mana doubler in mono-blue. That said, mana doublers aren't very important in Azami, so you're right, he should still cut them.

Lens is pretty slow. It's good in JVP and occasionally Teferi because of the nature of their win conditions, but Azami doesn't have that incentive.

@NarejED & Gates88

Cutting those also means cutting Palinchron which I feel is a real shame. High mana production is pretty crucial for most of the games I've so far played since dropping a shitton of wizards isent cheap

Lets say I did cut them. What would you replace them with? (them = Gauntlet of Power, Caged Sun, Extraplanar Lens and Palinchron)

Countermagic? Azami is one of the few commanders that benefits from a high density of C spells, and you're currently missing a few of the best. I don't see Swan Song, Spell Pierce, Mental Misstep, or Dispel. Negate and Arcane Denial are also notably missing, despite being significantly better than several cards currently in the list like Cryptical Command and Commandeer. Also, Chain of Vapor, Mystical Tutor, and Mystic Remora all seem to be missing for some reason.

Finally, where's Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip?