Good evening Mortlocke, my Slivery Brother.

So I think the change from filter lands to pain lands is a legit change. I run a few, but only limited numbers. With shocks and fetches, the continual life loss I think racks up pretty quickly. However, it is only the last life that matters.

Now, if you are playing in 1 vs 1 games, makes sense. If you are playing in a pod of 4 though, what is your opinion on the Battlebond lands? The set was completed in Commander legends, and unless you have only 1 opponent left, well, they come in untapped. There's even expedition versions from Zendikar rising.

Hope you and yours are all safe a well

In addition to my message yesterday, have you seen anything in Strixhaven that's taken your fancy? I am actually kinda underwhelmed with it so far

Always good to hear from a fellow hivemate Doombeard1984, by the way your customized username is very cool. I find myself wanting to give my plain looking user name the same treatment - but i'm too lazy to re-learn how to do it. As for my decision making process behind choosing Painlands over others, the constant life loss is a relatively minor concern - the aim of this deck is to threaten to win between turns 5 and 8 (or sooner, ideally). It doesn't matter what my life total is at the end of a game, as long as I win.

Separately, I think the Battlebond lands are an absolutely awesome card design. However, I don't want to include them because I don't like the idea of a land that ETBs tapped 100% of the time during a 1 v 1 game.

As for Strixhaven, nothing for Slivers piqued my interest. However, I do like Extus, Oriq Overlord  ^Flip/ Awaken the Blood Avatar . I think it's a very unique and cool concept for a commander. I don't think i'll invest any money in building a paper copy of an Extus deck as I don't really play Magic in person anymore. I play exclusively on Cockatrice with friends as that's the only real safe way to play. Plus, I get to try out a whole myriad of different commander decks for free. If you want to get a game in feel free to add me, I have the same name on Cockatrice as I do on here.

Never played on Cockatrice, I will have to have a look.

Just saw your mana base update, How often did you find yourself without a way to activate your filter lands? I'd imagine that running all 10 fetches helps you color fix enough for that. I personally don't like the pain lands at all; but, that's coming from the guy who runs the 5 Triomes, so you can take what I say with a grain of salt. Regardless, glad to see you're still updating the deck!

Mortlocke,

Totally get what you are saying about the lands. I am considering having a set of check lands or pain lands available should I find myself playing a 1 vs 1 game. As I usually play 4 pod though, personally I think they are better in that scenario.

As for the name thing, yeah, I kind of got bored of wanting one of these fancy looking names, but never knew how too. Found a profile with a tutorial on it. If I can learn it for the first time in very short time, your Hive mind geniusness will certainly get it in seconds. Have linked the deck/tutorial here: Username and Profile Customization Tutorial!.

If you wanna go fast, painlands are a must. I say that you made the right choice by excluding those filter lands I haven't used them in years.

Glad to see that you're still updating your deck, haven't done anything on mine for a while.

Hey bigrigroy, thanks for keeping up with my deck. To answer your question - rarely am I in a situation where I can't filter mana through my filterlands. But that's the thing - there's a possibility of it happening. The change helps keep things more consistent by eliminating a possible scenario where I can't tap my lands for a specific color. Honestly I was deliberating on getting the Painlands for sometime as they aren't as pretty as my Expedition filterlands - but they are guaranteed to tap for colored mana. it just seems like the most optimal choice. Just to be clear - I will always update this deck. It's one of my special three that I want to always keep up to date with the latest and greatest pushed cards from WotC lol.

OP_Sigma, I absolutely want to go fast. Always.

But i'll always be looking at new sets for anything that may be of use to the hive. In case there's anything that catches your eye (that i'll most likely have missed) please don't hesitate to share, please.

Any thoughts on Bring to Light ? Grab almost any sliver, targeted removal, or board wipe and cast it from the deck.

jasinatael, thanks for mentioning Bring to Light , definitely a card I was not aware of from original zendikar? My opinion of the card is that it is basically a strictly worse Wargate . For 5 (and that mana potentially being in WUBRG), this spell's range of targets to tutor and cast seem rather limited in scope. If I was running a simic deck this card would definitely be worth considering, but given that i'm in 5 color there are just way too many better options to choose from. However, given that I am building a simic deck i'll keep Bring to Light under consideration. Thanks for sharing!

Hi Mortlocke!

I'm inviting you to join a Sliver themed discord! It would be great to have you in our growing community.

I'll leave you the join link: https://discord.gg/YK72CtgfJJ

Mortlocke hope you’re doing well. I put together an unrelated Orzhov deck and have been amazed at the work Necropotence puts in. I’m never sorry to draw it and being able to restock my hand at the end of every turn is absolutely worth giving up the draw and a life per card. It stacks well with Sensei's Divining Top and Mirri's Guile . For me, it would take the place of Sylvan Library

gvazdaus playing a 2 colors deck is way different from playing a 5 mana colors one. From my point of view, being able to cast an early Necropotence is quite hard.

Anyway Sylvan Library is way more powerful compared to Mirri's Guile and Sensei's Divining Top, since it allows you to draw extra cards in case you're finding nothing on top of your library, by paying life.

100% agree with what @abierto said concerning Necropotence . Getting in a five colour deck is an ask, especially compared to the all stars that are Mirri's Guile and Sylvan Library .

Dont get me wrong though, Necropotence is an amazing card, in most decks, just think there is better fits when you are running all the colours.

Also, abierto, is that discord open to other Sliver players? You can always check out my deck if I need to meet certain... requirements lol

Doombeard1984 I've created that discord in order to gather more sliver player as possible! I'm MrPonzi on deckstats, so I'm most active there, but of course, everyone who want can join it!

Feel free to join, share your list and your opinions ;)

new bling! http://mythicspoiler.com/mh2/cards/thefirstsliver.html

With Modern Horizons 2 I finally have all my fetches together and now I'm reworking my sliver deck. I've stumbled over your decklist now, which is a great help, but I've come to wonder why you don't have morophon included? It's only a sliver when you consider changelings as such, but making all slivers cheaper by WUBRG seems huge.

kbaylife, I hear you on MH2, after buying a collector's box (note: I didn't pay anywhere near full price - more on that in a later post?) I only received one fetch. I'm going to trade and buy the rest in Foil old border in the near future.

Thanks for the compliment on my list, its my favorite deck and representative of what I like in magic. It always is a help if you leave an upvote, by the way. Id love to get to 600 someday.

As for ol' Morophon, the Boundless , it is simply a win more card. Keep in mind this is within the context of a deck that aims to be as competitive as possible and strictly limited to Sliver Tribal. For mana spent, I need to win the game or change the flow dramatically. Morophon, the Boundless early game is a dead card in hand, mid game will force me to uh... tapout (there's a pun in there somewhere) and have a very vulnerable big target on the field (there is no guarantee that Crystalline Sliver will be available). Late game is when Morophon shines, but if I can sling that kind of mana, then why waste it on casting a big flashy creature instead of trying to establish an infinite combo?

I welcome a rebuttal if you think I'm mistaken, thanks for bringing morophon back on my radar.

Regarding the foil old boarder fetches. Are you going for the regular foils or etched foils? :D I kinda like them both tbh but I bet the etched foils will look a bit to dark in sleeves.

I see your point with morophon, thanks for the detailed answer!. It just seemed to good to pass, but my focus so far was more on a casual sliver edh experience. Since the powerlevel at my LGS is rising lately, and people seem to regard slivers as an archenemy, even when there's a narset on the table going bonkers I'll dropp it for now.

Gotta stay competetive in the local meta :D

Dropped you that upvote!

Slayroth, don't think I missed your message about the old border printing of The First Sliver . It's definitely on the list of acquisitions from this set. I'm going to trade a buddy who had a much better box for his old border foil Scalding Tarn , then at my LGS i'm going to pick up the remaining old border foil enemy fetches and the Legion. My plan is to trade in a bunch of cards to lower the cost to a reasonable amount lol. My intention is to spend around 100EUR. Also, to answer your question - Regular foils all the way. The shiner the better my magpie brain says lol.

kbaylife, my initial impression of Morophon, the Boundless was pretty much the same as yours - I thought it was going to change the way Slivers are played, potentially - and I do maintain that idea of the card to an extent. However, that really high CMC will limit the impact you could make on the board that turn. For a meta that is rising in power level I think it is always best to focus on interaction. I too have faced Sliver Hate™ at one point or another, but the one thing that has always kept me in the game is interaction. The power to say "No, you will not hate me out of the game" ala Mana Drain speaks volumes - and makes the other players at the table hesitant to make an enemy out of you from the start as well. Please, peruse my deck description in as this page is the culmination of my experiences playing slivers with a nice bit of CSS for fanciness.

I appreciate the upvote - and tell me (if you can see the customized views and all that) what you think of the page layout and design?

Ohh btw. Have you thought about adding Damn ? You had Damnation in your list a long time ago iirc and this is just a better version of it. I'm thinking about adding it to my list in place of 1 other singletarget removel spell. You'd lose versatility on the single removal side since it only hits creatures but you'd gain the extra boardwipe option.

Slayroth, funny you should mention Damn as I opened a full art foil copy. I'm considering swapping it in for Anguished Unmaking or Beast Within . I'll give it a try and update the list after trying it for a few games.

Hi Mortlocke I don't have access to these expensive cards, what would you recommend as a substitute? Mox Diamond , Wheel of Fortune , Gaea's Cradle , and ofc the OG dual lands.

Hi Tobuts,

Listing your budget range would help me make more precise recommendations, but I like going on tangents sometimes so i'll give some suggestions and thoughts on some cards.

• Mox Diamond is a pretty tough card to replace, but if I had to do it on a budget I would consider one of the Talismans from Mirrodin/Modern Horizons. I know, this is a pretty tough sell but it's the best I can come up with. The color pairing i'd likely lean toward is Talisman of Curiosity or Talisman of Creativity .

• Wheel of Fortune is much easier to replace. Obviously we could go with Windfall which is very wallet friendly - but is a color shift to blue. If you want to stay within red, then Winds of Change would be my go to.

• Gaea's Cradle is a difficult card to replace, but thanks to the plane of Ixilan we have Growing Rites of Itlimoc  ^Flip/ Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun . It's essentially the same thing, you just need to jump through a hoop or two before you get your obscenely powerful land.

• The ABUR Dual Lands are tough to replace. Honestly, i'm considering multiple options because none are really perfect. Though if I had to choose one, i'd likely toss back in the Shadowmoor/Eventide Filterlands. Here are my runners up:

That's it for my suggestions, what do you think? Do you plan on constructing your own Sliver deck using my suggestions?