Post your Pioneer deck here!
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Posted on Oct. 21, 2019, 12:20 p.m. by SMASHER101
Post your Pioneer deck or just an idea for one here!
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21
Neither Dig Through Time nor Treasure Cruise are banned in the format. Make of that what you will.
Edit: Ninja’d!
October 21, 2019 12:33 p.m. Edited.
SMASHER101 says... #4
TypicalTimmy I thought that wizards only sold sealed product not signals, but yeah unless my lgs starts doing this as a consistent event that fires every week on a day where there isn't already magic and I see a fun deck do well in a big tournament then I will probably just stick with playing eldrazi tron in modern forever. NEVER BAN CHALICE WIZARDS I WILL CRY! I do want to make Arclight Phoenix and Thing in the Ice Flip work though. MoonHollow124 I don't think Deathrite Shaman will be an issue without fetches.
October 21, 2019 12:42 p.m.
SpiderJuan says... #5
I suppose the rock will be decent with Deathrite Shaman
October 21, 2019 12:43 p.m.
jconeil1988 says... #6
TypicalTimmy while I'm sure that is mostly what they are trying to do, I do feel that they are trying to make eternal formats more cost friendly to get into. With Shocks being the most expensive lands, flat out banning the fetches that already drive up the cost modern, this doesn't seem to bad. Worth looking into, and in about 16 years or so, they'll add another new format.
October 21, 2019 12:46 p.m.
SpiderJuan says... #7
Jeskai Ascendancy could also be pretty insane, what with Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time legal.
October 21, 2019 12:55 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #8
I wish it had innistrad. Delver of secrets, snapcaster mage, and thought scour would make the format much more appealing to me.
That said, UR Prowess / Phoenix seems really good. Monastery Swiftspear , Arclight Phoenix , Treasure Cruise , Opt , and anything goes to dump things into the graveyard. Cathartic Reunion seems good.
Poor blue decks. Blue seems so bad as a primary color in this format. It seems fine for support and that's about it. It gets you Supreme Verdict and treasure cruise.
October 21, 2019 1:27 p.m.
grumbledore says... #9
Absolutely BG Rock, since this is the only format where I can run 4x DRS haha
October 21, 2019 1:50 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #10
scrotality but no fetchlands. It's hard to tap drs for mana.
October 21, 2019 2:35 p.m.
I wonder if every deck will default to using Smuggler's Copter again. Also Siege Rhino is back, which will probably reclaim it's status of boogeyman of the format.
I'm kind of bummed that M13 isn't included. I can understand why Innistrad block is not included, but I really-really want to use Vampire Nighthawk in this format. I guess Thundermaw Hellkite and Thragtusk are to blame.
October 21, 2019 4:52 p.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #13
And now that Modern's card pool is this large, it no longer serves the needed role of "format where we can make as much money as possible."
;)
October 21, 2019 7:37 p.m.
Man, what a really weird way to spell Extended. 7 years of cards, almost to the day. If only it rotated....
Pass on the format. Like I have with Historic and Frontier.
Also, Frontier and Pioneer? That's certainly a way to wear your origin on your sleeves.
October 21, 2019 8:19 p.m.
As long as Pioneer has saheeli rai and Felidar Guardian both legal, I refuse to play the format. I think this is by far the most obnoxious thing you can do in the format.
October 22, 2019 9:43 a.m.
Actually, I'm going to jump on the WU Approach deck as something to watch out for. This is a format that has Approach of the Second Sun , Dig Through Time , Supreme Verdict and Sphinx's Revelation in it. It's a monstrous Control deck that has a lot more options than was available in Standard.
Too bad Wizards forgot that when they killed Extended in favour of Modern that they carried the former's ban list with them. A no-ban format it going to degenerate quite quickly and while I can see Wizards using these early tournaments to figure out what to ban, it's also going to poison the early impressions of the format for a long time to come, probably doing more harm than good.
edit: SEE! SEE! The guy who posted the first decklist right below me did just that!
October 22, 2019 10:44 a.m. Edited.
sergiodelrio says... #18
Of course it's a matter of taste, but I'd like to express here that I absolutely hate the idea of this format.
To me, after looking at the card pool, it is un-exciting, too "clean" if that makes sense. Modern was supposed to be Legacy-lite in terms of affordability, game speed/power lvl, card pool and interactions. If Pioneer was playable in Arena, I could see this argument being made for demand.
Right now, who is this really for? As a Modern player myself, I was absolutely excited when I first heard about Pauper. Because it was actually different in the way the card pool was designed. It brought something different/new to the table. In a way that was also the case for Modern when it was introduced. Now, we're just copying the idea behind Modern while taking away from it and at the same time adding nothing new (except for 3 cards on the ban list, yay!).
A real innovation would have been to allow EVERYTHING after RTR, including supplemental sets for example, which would actually create a completely new format, that would be fun to solve and have unique corner stones.
/rant
EDIT: No offense to the people who actually like this tho, to each their own
October 22, 2019 12:49 p.m. Edited.
Been bored all day and just brewing random decks throughout based on decks that were brutal in their standard lives and adapting. Modern decks also had influence on it.
A sort of 8 Rack: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/davrack-pioneer/
Mono Black Devotion: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mono-b-devotion-the-next-coming/
Mono Red Burn: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-10-19-PvG-mono-red-burn/
October 22, 2019 2:56 p.m.
Aswanlikeneck says... #20
Here’s a brew with Emrakul.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/putative-pioneer-delirium/
October 22, 2019 6:51 p.m.
Darth_Savage says... #22
I've played a Soulflayer build in Modern FNM, with fewer counterspells in Pioneer I'm not sure I'll miss the Cavern of Souls (though I do miss Vengevine), so this is what I have - Pioneer_Soulflayer
October 23, 2019 5:36 a.m.
CrimsonChaos says... #23
Tinkering with mono-white lifegain. An attempt was made.
Ajani's Gang (Pioneer Mono-White Lifegain)
Pioneer*
SCORE: 1 | 76 VIEWS
October 23, 2019 10:47 a.m.
As a player who got tired of Magic, but did enjoy Frontier that never really kicked off at my LGS, I'm mildly interested in this.
The addition of Thoughtseize to my already strong "Shadow" deck, boosts its power.
Cast a Shadow [Pioneer]
Standard*
1 VIEW | IN 1 FOLDER
This deck may also be viable.
Monothopters [Frontier]
Frontier
SCORE: 67 | 40 COMMENTS | 4344 VIEWS | IN 21 FOLDERS
As might some of my other old decks. Good thing I kept them all together in paper.
Time will tell if this format turns into what Frontier did, which was or lose.
I think bans may need to be applied to Aetherworks Marvel and Felidar Guardian / Saheeli Rai although Abrade might be enough to shut down Marvel
There are also different cards from the ones that were in when the Cat Combo was a problem - Thoughtseize might be enough to stop it.
October 24, 2019 3:24 a.m.
I like the burn options now.
Searing Blood and Satyr Firedancer are happy to be back in my deck.
Scorch
Modern
SCORE: 3 | 11 COMMENTS | 347 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
October 24, 2019 3:35 a.m.
The thing I like about this format is that it goes back far enough to make a decent card pool, it includes far more Gods and some Legendary Artefacts, it stops being able to effectively run four colour decks due to no fetches (which will also keep costs down), and is better for people like me who don't want the expense of putting a Modern deck together.
It seems to me that the pool of cards harkens back to a time when FNM had a lot more people playing, at least in my area. If those people, like me, have kept their decks together, it's not much adjustment to haul them back out.
If this devolves into what Standard has become, with people only playing the same three or four netdecks, that will kill it for me.
October 24, 2019 4:09 a.m.
SMASHER101 says... #27
I remember the Paradoxical Outcome sai deck that was good, if that's good again I might play the format.
October 24, 2019 8:35 a.m.
SMASHER101 says... #28
There WILL be netdeckers, I can guarantee that Argy.
October 24, 2019 8:37 a.m.
Well if I can beat them, I'll continue to play.
I did beat them when playing Standard.
So far my decks are doing OK in playtesting.
I think no access to fetchlands is going to shut some deck types down.
Since I have used so very few fetchlands in the past, most of my decks need little change.
Thoughtseize is a REALLY big boon to my Cast a Shadow [Pioneer] deck.
October 24, 2019 9:39 a.m.
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast says... #30
Hey guys!
I'm a red wizard by nature, coming from years of playing Burn in Modern.
I've been looking at red powerful cards in this format and I'm not quite sure whether I should go for Goblins cuz they're fun and actually pretty decent, RDW or big mana spells. What do you think?
October 24, 2019 2:39 p.m.
sergiodelrio says... #31
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast no Lightning Bolt is a yuuge drawback tho
October 25, 2019 2:41 a.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #32
We have a local Pioneer league starting up next week and this is what I've thrown together: Draw-Go! Pioneer Style
October 25, 2019 2:51 a.m.
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast says... #33
sergiodelrio I know, but at the same time I think super aggro strategies are still viable since I haven't seen amazing removal spells either. I think I'll try and make Ilharg work somehow :)
October 25, 2019 6:18 a.m.
I am personally thinking that a Rally the Ancestors + Return to the Ranks deck will be very cool. I will post a list soon.
October 25, 2019 6:55 a.m.
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast there are a lot of great removal spells.
Take a look at Cast a Shadow [Pioneer] if you want to see most of the ones.
October 25, 2019 10:51 a.m.
I've put all the decks in this topic into a
Pioneer Testing Gauntlet
Should keep you all going for a while.
If anyone feels like returning the voting favour to one of my decks, I won't stop you.
October 25, 2019 10:59 a.m. Edited.
sergiodelrio says... #38
Agreed... Pioneer has tons of Modern removal. and mono , also Dreadbore
October 25, 2019 10:59 a.m.
CrimsonChaos says... #40
Wonder when/if they'll add a Pioneer section to the forums on this site soon. I mean, they did for Oathbreaker recently, and that's not even a format that WotC does anything with. Mind you, it's only been a few days since the announcement for Pioneer and I'm sure they have their hands full after setting up a deckbuilder section and trying to sort out all the legality stuff, so I'm not all that surprised they haven't made a forum section yet.
October 25, 2019 3:51 p.m.
Darth_Savage says... #41
The gather doesn't even have pioneer as a format yet...
October 25, 2019 4:01 p.m.
Flawless_Sin says... #43
October 27, 2019 1:49 p.m.
Exiled_soul says... #44
October 27, 2019 9:50 p.m.
SMASHER101 says... #45
Is there a pioneer discord? The only one I found has only 100 members so it must not be the main one.
November 2, 2019 12:35 p.m.
I've added all the other decks after my first notice, except for any decks that aren't able to be tested against.
Don't ask.
November 5, 2019 9:37 a.m.
I have added an Arclight Phoenix deck to the Pioneer Testing Gauntlet
It seems to be the top deck since Devotion and Felidar Guardian were both nerfed.
Hope you enjoy testing against it!
November 8, 2019 9:50 a.m.
Since I'm personally adding new competitive Pioneer decks all the time, if you want to keep up with what's new, I suggest following me.
Alternatively, just keep checking the gauntlet folder I have linked here a couple of times.
November 14, 2019 12:09 a.m. Edited.
I played my first in paper game of Pioneer tonight with StuBi
Both our decks went quite well.
Improvements can be made in how we Sideboard, and we probably just need more practice against different types of decks.
I never thought I'd be playing Competitive Magic again.
November 20, 2019 9:07 a.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #50
We have our first Pioneer tournament coming up next week and this is the deck I've decided to run:
Pioneer Enchantress (SPICY! MUST CLICK)
Feedback would be appreciated (as always <3 )
MoonHollow124 says... #2
I have modern affinity, so I'll probably have the cards to convert it for when I want to play Pioneer. Really nostalgic for me because its beginning was just when I started playing. A bot worried about Deathrite Shaman , Treasure Cruise , and Dig Through Time though.
Link to affinity deck: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pioneer-affinity/?cb=1571675545
October 21, 2019 12:32 p.m.