What about Shimmer Myr so you can go off at instant speed?

@cronos101 It's not entirely necessary. They could still interact with the same type of interaction whether I am going off at sorcery or instant speed, unless I have the perfect hand of 3 Myr Retrievers or something. Sadly not viable.

I would also recommend Muddle the Mixture. You need a way to find Heartless Summoning. My build of the deck was u/g/b running Ancient Stirrings Muddle the Mixture Commune with the Gods and even Summoner's Pact just to make sure i could find the combo quickly.

Your build is a lot more resilient than mine was but its also a lot slower of a combo and not doing as powerful things as other fair decks as its getting setup. May just die before you find the pieces.

@simoHayha I do agree that it is slower, but that is because it is more resilient. I used to run a much more glass cannon approach, and I lost a lot of games due to other decks being able to interact or winning faster than me. The resilient build is more competitive overall, even if you don't manage to get those turn 2 kills as frequently. I can beat control decks because I draw more cards than them, and I can still race the fast decks.

Also why were you using Summoner's Pact? I can't think of a good enough target to make it worthwhile.

To get the second Myr Retriever, or Trinket Mage to find the Altar of the Brood to go off that turn. Sometimes even to find Perilous Myr to just burn them out that turn with Havengul Lich in play.

None of them came up all that often but alowed for it to be faster but ya, it was a glass cannon type approtch. Feel any kind of disruption is horrible regardless, like if they thoughtseize your heartless summoning or abrupt decay it. Was trying to be fast enough that i wouldnt have to deal with (Even ran Pact of Negation in the sb). Definitely a glass cannon lol

@simoHayha Summoner's Pact can only find green creatures, so you've been using it incorrectly this whole time.

Anyways, the only thing I'd consider splashing green for is Commune with the Gods, but that card alone isn't worth a full splash. So I'll likely stick to my current build unless there are some direct upgrades or arguments to be made.

hahaha, wow thanks lol. Ya ive been definitely using that wrong....

Ancient Stirrings would also be a solid reason.

Ancient Stirrings doesn't find Heartless Summoning, and instead forces us to put it on the bottom of our deck. So it's not ideal. Great for hitting land drops though and finding more myrs.

Infinite Obliteration easily fits in this deck. I run 2 sideboard. It gets ride of that Emrakul, the Aeons Torn if you know its in there deck.

@fndeadude The problem with Infinite Obliteration is that it costs , which is a little too much. I run Surgical Extraction for that reason, because I can cast it for free while comboing off. You know you will mill into their Emrakul, and so it has the same effect. Also Surgical Extraction can be powerful when you turn 1 Inquisition of Kozilek, then extract away the card to remove multiple copies. Similarly, if you see their hand is relying on something like 3x Scalding Tarn as their lands, you can extract their lands after they crack the first fetch and quickly end the game.

so i decided to do some more tests against this deck with my You and this army! deck. i found pretty similiar results really.

game 1: i had you dead to rights with 2 hunted phantasms out but you got your combo off before i could get the last swing in.

game 2: you never drew into your alter of the brood although you managed to kill 2 phantasms in a single turn by recasting perilous myr 6 times which i must say was amusing/frustrating.

game 3: you myr shocked my blood seeker so that you could combo off with 2 retrievers and your grim until you got an alter, at which point you shocked your grim so you could infinite mill me.

game 4: i countered your summoning. it was over soon after as i dropped a phantasm with 2 seekers out.

game 5: i countered your summoning again, but you had 2 alter of the broods out so you kept up the slow mill for a while. eventually though you had too many etb triggers on my blood seeker and died.

over all it was a fun match up. i personally thought it would be more lopsided but your deck was usually able to handle my problem cards pretty well. i also was too lazy to side board and i think you hypothetical sideboarding was fairly accurate.

my only suggestion would be to add another Spell Pierce or something to better protect your heartless. i tried during a game to hold your heartless off for a few turns to see if i could draw into a spell pierce to protect it (i did have my swan song in hand so it was a good call) but i never could so i would eventually have to try playing it so as to not lose.

@aholder7 I was expecting your deck to beat mine more frequently since Suture Priest and Blood Seeker are very rough. Still, I do run enough removal here and there to get past them.

Spell Pierce typically isn't that useful, really they are only necessary when my opponent is playing a lot of control cards. Even then, I'll frequently just run my Heartless Summoning out on turn 2 just to see how it goes. There are enough other ones in the deck that you can try to durdle and find another, especially since there are so many good chump blockers.

I did originally have a fourth Spell Pierce, but having the Spellskites mainboard turned out to be more important in most match-ups. There really isn't too much leeway in my cards right now, other than maybe going down on lands. The only flex slots I have are the Spellskites, Spell Pierces, the Court Hussar, and one land. It would be nice to find the space for the final Spell Pierce, but I can't decide on any cuts.

Maybe a couple Darkslick Shores?

@Happymaster19 Darkslick Shores is a good card, but it isn't always what we want. I decided to include Drowned Catacomb instead due to the fact that most one land hands aren't easily keepable and it will always be untapped. I ran some playtests with it, and it is absolutely fantastic in the glass cannon versions of this deck. However, since this deck also wants to be able to slow down and grind out our opponent, the fact that it sometimes comes into play tapped turned out to be detrimental.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

True. If you had more cantrips, maybe. But you're right. Plenty of options. Underground River isn't bad either. Could you clarify what Havengul Lich is doing? I assume you just get to use the Myr Moonvessel's mana to pay the Loch's cost to resummon repeatedly with Altar of the Brood? I think I'm over thinking it because the second half of his ability. I also do like the idea of Shimmer Myr as a one-of in the sideboard. Maybe slot out one of the Inquisition of Kozilek? Better for match ups against instant-kills like Twin and Ad Nauseam. I really like this deck.

@Happymaster19 Havengul Lich is there to go infinite with a Myr Moonvessel, burn them to death with Perilous Myrs and kill all their creatures, get back Grim Haruspexs when they die, and to cast opposing Snapcaster Mages and Gurmag Anglers from their graveyards. He is very powerful with Heartless Summoning out, and is one of the ways I can improve my control matchup.

Shimmer Myr is useful, but the problem is that it doesn't help me in most match-ups other than Twin, and that is only if I already have the kill and just want to wait in hopes of them tapping out.It does nothing against Ad Nauseam because I could simply combo off on my turn without needing to kill on their turn.

As for Underground River, I'm not using it simply to shore up my burn match-up, which is rough.

Anyways, I'm glad you enjoy the deck. Your suggestions have been pretty great, but I'm not entirely certain if there are other cards I really want to add to the main deck other than tweaking the mana base and sideboarding. Really I just wait for each set hoping that something new and exciting gets reprinted.

You know considering Havengul Lich can be used to cast enemy creatures what do you think of it as a win condition in either Grixis or Bug control? Like, build with 16+ instants, a few sweepers, and then a few of him? I ask because this deck and other Lich combo decks seem to be the only decks that run him. I like that he's Lightning Bolt and Abrupt Decay proof.

Like I said just wanted your opinion on this since very few decks play him and you've got experience with it.

@kengiczar I would consider it, probably in a BUG control list that is full of a lot of threats. You'd probably get to run some Exotic Orchards as well to ensure you can cast their white and red threats. Either way, you'd need a meta that is full of Grixis, Jund, and Abzan for it to be successful.

Hey nice deck +1 for you! Btw if i may ask why you removed Laboratory Maniac as a second win condition? After playtesting a lot i found out with tons of cards in hands drawing with Grim Haruspex. Also what you think about Sphinx's Tutelage?

@om3gaweapon Laboratory Maniac was unnecessary, because the infinite mill can be done whenever you are drawing tons of cards through Grim Haruspex. Anytime you would win with him, you could win without using any mana by casting Altar of the Broods out of your deck using the mana from Myr Moonvessels and you can just Perilous Myr the Grim Haruspex afterwards.

After sideboarding, Nihil Spellbomb and Surgical Extraction can remove any issues we have that stop us from milling them out. So it makes the Laboratory Maniac completely irrelevant.

As for Sphinx's Tutelage, it is just a more expensive Altar of the Brood that doesn't get our infinite combo working unless you have a Grim Haruspex out. I wouldn't consider it.

Hi! I've just finished a deck which is loosely based on this one and have been playtesting them against each other. Fun match up, Spellskite really messes me up :'(

Victory Bounce <<< this is the deck, its early stage so far but I'd love some feedback...

@ALX I commented on your deck. Hope it works out for you.

Yo, tell me what you think of this version of Heartless Myr. Disclaimer: it's not of my creation. I think I got it off tcgplayer a while ago.

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Hey lemmingllama, I'm try to build this on mtgo with a 20-30 dollar budget any segustions?