Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Legendary Creature — Dryad
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.
, : Populate. (Create a token that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
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- triggered before check ab (quick/easy one)?
- Ageless Entity + multiple triggers?
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Trostani, Selesnya's Voice Discussion
6 days ago
Ravenrose, thank you for the vote of confidence! I really enjoy Lathiel, the Bounteous Dawn , though there might be a bit much left of my original Emiel deck in here. The Soul Sister suite is one of the best engines in the deck, so I highly recommend going with that, as well as the Trostani, Selesnya's Voice . The big chunks of lifegain are fun, too.
1 week ago
Whenever you exile a creature, it's controller draws a card and you gain 1 life.
I'm not entirely certain, but Livio seems to want to be built around ETB effects. Exile your own creatures, then bring them back into one massive drop; For example, Luminate Primordial would be an incredibly strong blink creature. Sure your opponents gain a ton of life, but you remove their biggest threats permanently. Additionally, as he has Partner, you can add in for something such as Woodfall Primus or Terastodon . You could even use use Meteor Golem . If you run Selesnya, you're already in extremely strong ramp territory as green loves to ramp with creatures and white loves to make creatures. Suddenly your Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun , Gaea's Cradle and Cryptolith Rite look astounding. Not to mention Circle of Dreams Druid and, if you use enchantments to protect yourself such as a Prison / Stax deck, Serra's Sanctum . There's also Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , Nyxbloom Ancient and Mana Reflection .
Hone in the strategy with Trostani, Selesnya's Voice and similar life-gaining creatures such as Suture Priest , Soul Warden , Soul's Attendant , Angelic Chorus and Essence Warden for a massive gap between you and your opponents.
Anyway, there ya go. A skeleton for a down and dirty Selesnya deck. Go have some fun with it.
Since you are going for extreme ramp and board presence, I'd recommend Partnering with Halana, Kessig Ranger so that when they enter you can pay and have removal-on-a-stick, too.
Kodama of the East Tree would be nice but that's a trap. You'll be outed as the archenemy at the table on Turn 0. Sure you get to cheat a bunch of things into play, but that doesn't help advance your wincon. I'd rather see Halana in the Command Zone for that removal option, so that the creatures we are playing around with can get through and finish the game off quickly. You're going creature-heavy, so use them.
3 weeks ago
I'd recommend cutting the following cards right away:
Tidal Force (Doesn't do much. Very expensive.)
Siege Behemoth (Good effect, but very expensive.)
Emmara Tandris (It doesn't look like you really have that many tokens. Not sure why this is here.)
Deepfathom Skulker (Good trigger, but expensive, and you can't activate its second ability easily.)
Archon of Coronation (Really easy to lose the monarch and it doesn't do much besides give you the monarch.)
Amareth, the Lustrous (Not really that good. Very rarely will draw you anything in general and the body is very meh.)
Inniaz, the Gale Force (I don't like this kind of effect. You are forced to give up something.)
God-Eternal Oketra (The tokens are okay, but it really doesn't do enough IMO)
Archon of Redemption (3/4 flyer for 5 with a situational life gain effect is pretty bad...)
Angel of Destiny (If it ever gets removed, all you did by attacking, possibly losing creatures in the process, possibly taking hits because your defense are down, was gain life. It just seems like the card really does nothing.)
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice (Not enough token synergy to matter. Life gain is not very good.)
Thassa, Deep-Dwelling (This doesn't do much in your deck. IMO)
Basri's Lieutenant (With almost no +1/+1 counter synergy in the deck, this really doesn't do anything for you.)
Adrix and Nev, Twincasters (Not enough token synergy.)
Niambi, Esteemed Speaker (Can save a creature, but other than that, the card pretty much does nothing.)
Ornithopter of Paradise (Can't trigger Derevi because it has 0 power. Pretty bad as a ramp card too.)
Rhys the Redeemed (Not being elf tribal or big on tokens means that he won't do much.)
Parhelion II (Way too expensive and really doesn't do that much for its cost.)
Righteous Authority (Very expensive and no way to abuse it in the deck currently.)
Cosmos Elixir (You have a ton of draw in the form of "when a creature deals combat damage, draw 1" type cards. You don't need this IMO.)
Sword of Vengeance , Sword of Body and Mind (Not really sure what they're supposed to do for you. Tiny pumps and trample aren't going to help you much IMO.)
Combine Chrysalis (Not enough tokens.)
Sol Talisman (Why is this not Sol Ring?)
Cloudshift , Ephemerate (Almost no abusable ETBs)
Griffin Aerie (Not enough life gain to make this work and not even a great effect.)
Garruk's Uprising (I feel like you should probably be focusing on smaller bodies, not bigger ones.)
Growing Ranks (Not enough tokens.)
Elspeth Conquers Death (Doesn't really do anything you're looking for IMO.)
That's just the ones I would cut right away for not being good in general or not fitting with your strategy.
The token subtheme is kind of unfitting IMO. There's only a few tokens here and there, and a lot of them are "big" tokens, not little ones that can trigger Derevi a lot, but then you also have lots of things to take advantage of tokens even though you don't have that many things that produce tokens (and a lot of times, they're too expensive). If you want to focus a deck on tokens, I think you should choose a different commander.
In general, I think you should probably focus more on having a bunch of smaller creatures so you can get lots of Derevi triggers rather than bigger creatures. This could be a way to work in tokens if you want to push it, because you could focus on smaller tokens that you can push out very cheap and early in the game.
In addition to this, you may also want to consider putting in more cards that you can abuse with Derevi. I love the inspire guy you have in there, Arbiter of the Ideal (don't know if you know, but you can stack tap/untap/tap/untap triggers on him and trigger inspire a bunch of times in one combat!). I think you should focus on this kind of effect more.
I think you should also try to put a little more ramp in there. Sol Ring, Simic Signet, Arcane Signet, and maybe a couple other mana rocks are noticeably missing.
That's pretty much all I have to say about it right now. Let me know what you think!
2 months ago
4 months ago
I like to have at least one way to recurrently populate in this kind of deck. It gives you real inevitability in the late game. Some prefer Growing Ranks , but I personally prefer Trostani, Selesnya's Voice . Making a 5/5 wurm and gaining 5 life every turn is backbreaking for many a deck.
6 months ago
There's a slight problem in the templating that allows for infinite combos by itself and an outlet. If you have the token copy Kimni her-/himself, there's another ETB of creating a token put onto the stack. State based actions tells you to scrap one of the legendary creatures, so you scrap the token. The ETB of creating a token is then resolved on the stack, rinse repeat. Put any kind of death-trigger synergy card in there and you have an infinite combo outlet.
Can be corrected by having the token only copy non-legendary creatures or if the ETB have you choose another creature (than Kimni), then create a token that's a copy of that creature.
Another slightly different solution is to change it from an ETB to an on-Cast trigger. Like the Eldrazi.
The ETB-variant also enables any kind of ETB-flicker to go infinite. Like Felidar Guardian. Perhaps it is best to have it an on-cast trigger after all.
Why is Kimni a shapeshifter if she/he doesn't do any actual shapeshifting her-/himself?
Wouldn't she/he rather be an elemental, an avatar or god that creates these tokens that are copies of other creatures?
As for power level: 5 CMC for a 2/4 is rather harsh, but the weight is attributed to the token and the Populate ability.
I would say that the Populate is slightly over costed considering we have Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage who does it at 4 and only 2 color pips. And there's Trostani, Selesnya's Voice who does it at 3 but by tapping.
However those are best when combined with something else that creates a strong token to populate. Kimni possibly provides that strong token and can populate it by themselves.
I would still say the Populate should be reduced to 5 mana and it still feels lackluster.
If you aren't sinking 6 mana into Populate, what does this Commander do? Most likely nothing. Sitting on guard duty should any smaller creeps seek to bash you in the face. Seeing as the only thing the Commander can do is utilize its Populate ability, I would say it should be more feasible to use it.
I would love to tie in a Convoke reduction in it. So if you use it to copy good-stuff creatures, you generally don't want to tap those creatures, and you have to pay up. If you utilize it on smaller self-synergistic creatures (like tribals) they can help you go wide with small creatures.
As is the way with cost reduction mechanics, the starting price goes up. So say 7 CMC for the Populate and a Convoke mechanic could be a choice as well. Additionally combining two of the Selesnya mechanics on one card.
To broaden this Commander, it could be considered to have the main body be a Changeling (every creature type) and have the tokens they create be Shapeshifters with Changeling in addition to the copied creature. (It could be considered to have the token be non-legendary.)
This opens up tribal benefits by having the Commander be within the relevant tribe, and the token copy can be used to copy strong synergy creatures, like a Lord-esque creatures or just strong creatures from that tribe.
Having Populate instead of merely making another ETB copy token, makes it harder to capitalize on the copy effect and makes it less flexible (for instance you cannot make redundant copies of multiple strong utility creatures without another way to generate those tokens in the first place), but it does keep the power level more in check.
You could also run multi-tribal goodstuff, so you select a variety of good tribal lords, and your shapeshifter army gets all benefits. Like include Lord of the Unreal, Lord of Atlantis, Joraga Warcaller, Knight Exemplar. Add some utility creatures like Voidmage Prodigy.
I see an interesting idea that could be utilized in a multitude of deck shells as long as it is kept in check.
8 months ago
If cloning's your game, then I have a (few) name(s)!
So if cloning is your go to, I'd suggest things that can allow you do go big, quickly. If you are absolutely deadset on Sultai, I understand, but possibly choose Temur? With cards like Riku of Two Reflections?
Another option would be Naya, with Ghired, Conclave Exile?
Some good ideas could be: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Kindred Charge, Desolation Twin, Giant Adephage, Phyrexian Processor. The new Scute Swarm and Skyclave Relic, and some artifact Shenanigans with Mechanized Production.
Hope these few Ideas help you out!
10 months ago
Now, I'm not personally a fan of lifegain, so I would suggest you remove the lifegain subtheme. I could just be biased, though. Outside of decks that can use lifegain as a resource (like Heliod, Sun-Crowned), lifegain just becomes a card that delays your death without giving you any real tools to overcome whatever situation may be killing you. Now, if a card can gain you life AND do something else, then it's much better. This includes cards like Archangel of Thune. But if a card ONLY gains you life and does nothing else, it's probably not the best. These include Resolute Archangel, Beacon of Immortality, Angelic Chorus, Shattered Angel, Boon Reflection, Rhox Faithmender, and more.
Since lifegain strategies require both cards that gain life as well as cards that use life, in order to make the strategy as viable as possible, the commander should fill one of those 2 roles. Otherwise, you end up using a lot of deck space to put in cards that individually have little impact. Trostani, Selesnya's Voice, for example, is a good lifegain commander since she provides all the life you need to make use of cards like Aetherflux Reservoir. But I could just be biased since I don't have much experience with lifegain outside of my own Trostani deck I used to have. Good luck making cuts!