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Grizzled Leotau Discussion
1 month ago
MagicalHacker: Should I attempt to squeeze in Guiltfeeder? What's funny with him in a Doran deck is he deals double damage, once if he isn't blocked depending on how many cards are in someone's GY and then 4 damage due to Doran's ability. Not the greatest early game but can itself be a finisher. I've NO idea what to take out though. Spidersilk Armor?
Grizzled Leotau: Vanilla
Disowned Ancestor: vanilla
Yoked Ox: vanilla
Tasseled Dromedary: vanilla
Blessed Orator: buff is lackluster.
Kitsune Loreweaver: vanilla, lackluster/conditional mana sink.
Loxodon Wayfarer: vanilla.
Noetic Scales: more high power creature punishment.
Tangle Angler: wincon
Yotian Soldier: vigilance baby!
Standing Troops: vigilance
Selvala, Explorer Returned: draw and ramp.
1 month ago
Thank you MagicalHacker!
I perused the list you linked and have found some goodies that were appealing. To keep the curve tight so I'm dropping a critter or two a turn I've opted for the 3 CMC guys listed unless the effect was too good.
Mentor might make his way in. Shirei is interesting but my creatures lack ETB effects.
Myr Welder: a 1/4 for 3CMC. Offers artifact gy hate and could be quite useful if it stwals the right ability.
Order of Whiteclay: Sun Titan's lil bro. Not as good with vigilance.
Orzhov Advokist: this plays into my anti-power control element. If they keep pumping their best threats then they will stay tapped. Also acts as a deterrent.
Palace Guard: just a decent effect.
Raving Dead: this guy should probably be in the deck. Great with or without evasion. Doran makes him an effective 6/6.
Sanctum Guardian: nice little protection against big splashy spells or critters.
Scholar of Athreos: late game mana sink?
Selvala, Explorer Returned: ramp and card draw on a 2/4. Pretty decent
Standing Troops: bc vigilance with Doran is hilarious
Vampire Envoy: evasive beater with negligent lifegain.
Village Bell-Ringer: gives my guys pseudo vigilance
Yotian Soldier: vigilance beater
1 month ago
Vanilla beaters are, but their low CMC/high toughness creates value with Doran. It also can work to our advantage: who wants to counter a Grizzled Leotau? But for us its a 2 drop 5/5. Believe me, I know what your saying but unfortunately there isn't a whole lot of high toughness, low power, non-vanillas that don't cost CMC-wise an arm and a leg.
3 months ago
You should add more cards to keep your general on the field, cause the current strategy just falls apart when Doran leaves the field. Also theres a couple of equipments/spells that are amazing with the shaman... For example:
Also a couple of creatures you could think about:
4 months ago
Feels light on land. 34 lands, no artifact ramp, 3.5 CMC at the time of this comment.
I don't really like using things like Wakestone Gargoyle / Assault Formation, if they work well for you by all means. But there are some high toughness fatties you may want to consider that don't have defender, and would not depend on those cards. You have 14 cards with defender, very few of which can inflict any real damage. And without one of those "removes defender" enables are just rattlesnakes that people will only swing into when they know they can win. But there are loads of creatures which would not need to depend on those cards.
Other things for big butts: Crackdown, Slagwurm Armor, Retribution of the Meek, Fell the Mighty, Wave of Reckoning. I see you have included a bit of the anti-power package already with Marble Titan and Meekstone.
So, there is my random Doran feedback rant. For a long time I had the idea that I was going to build a wall Doran deck. But not having blue killed that dream Fog Bank, Wall of Kelp, Wall of Denial, etc. In my Doran deck I just used a lot of fat butts, anti-toughness cards, and had a minor treefolk tribal theme because it helped with draw and protecting Doran. Love me some Doran. <3
6 months ago
Those 4-drops are really slow and don't help win the game any quicker so I wouldn't use them (they are probably EDH cards at best, Trostani is actually very good there).
Also, the deck is playing Collected Company and shouldn't use any 4-drops anyway.
Orator of Ojutai is a weak 2-drop and can't be "aggro" because of "defender" which means it can't attack without Assault Formation in play, which also requires to pay each time which is very mana-inefficient.
7 months ago
Here are a few suggestions. They should all explain themselves pretty much. Good luck on the deck! Looks fun.
8 months ago
I'm working on a similar deck at the moment after it was featured on "Mtggoldfish" and seemed like a blast to play.
Some suggestions for your build:
- I would go with Path to Exile over Ranger's Guile to clear away blockers or deal with faster decks (Suicide Zoo, Affinity and Infect).
And you already have 4x Spellskite which provide the necessary protection.
- Wall of Omens is useful but being unable to attack without Assault Formation is a liability if you try to win as quickly as possible.
I would go with Grizzled Leotau or the cheaper Disowned Ancestor instead.Another option is Skinshifter which can be useful without Doran (or A.Formation) or a huge threat with him
- Lingering Souls ia really good in this deck to buy time against aggressive decks or win in the air with Tower Defense.
- With CoCo you could probably play some more 3-drops to get more value, like:
Anafenza, the Foremost, Courser of Kruphix and Loxodon Smiter.
Btw, here is my build -
I would be interested in any feedback or suggestions for the deck.