[[Primer]] - Daretti - Degenerate Artifacts

Commander / EDH Guerte

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Kaladesh Update —Oct. 13, 2016

Going forth, I will be doing an update like this for each set that comes out. What does that entail exactly? The most notable will be clearing up all of the old comments so we can keep discussion in line with the current update.

This doesn't mean that the deck won't change a few cards in between sets, as that is still a possibility the more games I can get in with the deck. It's mainly just for comment clearing, and to give you insight on the specific changes that a new set brings to the deck.

So, after a long wait, without further ado, I bring to you the Kaladesh Update to Daretti!

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Guerte says... #1

outstare: I don't use those lands because they don't last on the field that long, so while it ramps faster into Daretti, it then sets me back from playing other things.

MrD: That won't work. Staff of Domination only lets you untap creatures. However, if you replace it with Voltaic Key, then it will work. I will add it to the list.

June 8, 2016 12:48 p.m.

MrD says... #2

Why not use Magistrate's Scepter and get infinite turns?

June 8, 2016 6:28 p.m.

outstare says... #3

And that's one of the weaknesses of running the list like you do. Your average CMC is much higher so you have to play a slower ramping strategy, which is just a worse green deck. I would rather try and play to the strengths of the archetype and colors that I am playing than go out of my way to turn Red into Green.

June 9, 2016 3:32 p.m.

Guerte says... #4

MrD: It's definitely possible to put that in here. I just prefer to not do infinite turns, at least in this deck.

outstare: The deck plays just fine for me the way it is.

June 10, 2016 8:42 p.m.

heartofwolf says... #5

Hi Guerte, do You think that it's worth to use Blinkmoth nexus and Inkmoth nexus in Daretti?

June 21, 2016 2:23 p.m.

Guerte says... #6

heartofwolf: You can use them if you wish to. They can essentially be used as a free artifact (that uses up your land drop) to weld away with Daretti.

Personally, I don't run them as I feel they don't do enough for me.

June 21, 2016 2:39 p.m.

MTGNerd08 says... #7

Love your deck. Absolutely amazing. Have you thought of Simian Spirit Guide to aid your chances of turn 1 or 2 Daretti? Also, if you don't mind me asking, what career field are you in? Whatever it is, I would hope to one day be as successful as you at both deck building and life.

June 22, 2016 12:59 a.m.

heartofwolf says... #8

Hi, what is the reason of not using Eye of Ugin ?

June 22, 2016 3:11 a.m.

Guerte says... #9

MTGNerd08: Thank you voting and liking the deck. I'm really proud of it. As far as Simian Spirit Guide, I'm really not a fan of a one-shot mana accelerant in here. I'd rather have another mana rock instead. That way I can weld it away if need be.

I work/live in ND in the oilfield. Unfortunately, it's not booming anymore so I'm glad I got this deck finished when I had the chance.

heartofwolf: I tried out Eye of Ugin in here, but it had one major downfall: it doesn't produce mana. That along was reason enough to cut it from the deck. I found I didn't need the creature tutor either. It works better in an Eldrazi-heavy deck.

June 22, 2016 9:38 p.m.

F.R.F says... #10

Hey Guerte, I am 2 of your subscribers on YouTube - do you intend to do any more MTGO videos with this deck? This version of Daretti is still a little above my group's current power level but it's fun to watch it destroy people.

June 24, 2016 12:33 p.m.

Guerte says... #11

F.R.F: Thanks for the subscribes! I really appreciate it!

As far as doing more videos goes, I ran into some financial troubles so I ended up having to sell out of MTGO to make ends meet. I could do some videos on Xmage, but I feel like they would be subpar compared to the MTGO videos. Hopefully, once things start to get back to normal, I can reinvest online and put out some more videos.

I'll keep everyone in the loop if things change!

June 24, 2016 2:29 p.m.

Guerte says... #12

UPDATE:

OUT: Lotus Bloom

IN: Winter Orb

June 27, 2016 9:40 a.m.

SaltLife says... #13

Ok so my friends are boring and banned me from using mindslaver in my current Daretti deck because they aren't "having fun" when I take control of some their turns and maybe win. I am working towards getting this list but if anyone could give me a suggestion on what to replace mindslaver with as I'm not allowed to use it, that'd be great.

July 3, 2016 3:27 a.m.

Guerte says... #14

SaltLife: There really isn't a good replacement for Mindslaver, so really you can put anything in its place if they don't allow it.

July 3, 2016 10:37 a.m.

Guerte says... #15

Eldritch Moon Review:

The full spoiler for Eldritch Moon is up, and after taking a look at it, there is only one card that would be good in this deck.

Geier Reach Sanitarium: This card is very similar to Mikokoro, Center of the Sea in that it allows you to pay two mana for everyone to draw a card. But what makes this better than Mikokoro is that everyone also has to discard. It's another way for us to get a card in the graveyard at instant speed for later recursion.

Possible cuts for this card are: High Market, Phyrexia's Core, and Mirrorpool.

Will make an official update some time after release.

July 9, 2016 10:39 a.m.

VexenX says... #16

Nahiri's Wrath didn't jump out at all to you? Collective Defiance even? By no means are they auto-includes, but they seem ok.

July 9, 2016 2:58 p.m.

Guerte says... #17

VexenX: Those two I'm not really sure of right now. Nahiri's Wrath is a decent discard outlet, but I'm not sure how effective it's going to be. I'd rather run a mass board wipe like Starstorm over it personally. Collective Defiance seems ok as a one-sided wheel effect, except it doesn't net you any cards like Wheel of Fortune and Chandra, Flamecaller does. The other modes aren't that great either. I would need to really sit down and think on it and possibly test them out before I'd decide whether they'd make a god inclusion.

July 9, 2016 5:34 p.m.

Maaki says... #18

Hey, what do think of Shreds of Sanity as an additional recoup-like effect?

July 10, 2016 5:56 a.m.

Guerte says... #19

Maaki: You could run it in place of Recoup, but I wouldn't run both. We don't run enough instants and sorceries to justify both.

July 10, 2016 10:05 a.m.

Have you ever tried Kiki-Jiki or Feldon in here? They were both in my list and did SO SO SO much work, you've got alot of ETB effects in here that would be great to duplicate over and over, plus Wurmcoil's token copy dying at the end of the turn will provide you with more creatures.

July 21, 2016 9:18 p.m.

Guerte says... #21

SnowCoveredPlainswalker: While we do run some creatures with good ETB/LTB triggers, I feel like those two are better off in a deck of their own.

However, if I had to choose one, I would probably go with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker. Adding him would also give us the option of adding Zealous Conscripts as an alternate win condition.

I will have to think it over and give it a try sometime and see how it works out.

July 22, 2016 9:15 a.m.

gunnerocka says... #22

you do notice Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth doesent work 'cause it says "...if it ISN'T!!!!!!!! a mana ability..."

July 24, 2016 5:18 p.m.

Guerte says... #23

gunnerocka: You would be correct that we cannot copy Basalt's mana producing ability. But that's not what we copy. We copy the untap effect. You pay 3 to untap, pay an additional 2 to copy the untap, now you have to untap abilities on the stack. Let the first one resolve and untap the Monolith. Before the other untap resolves, tap it again for mana. Last untap resolves, untapping it, and you can proceed to tap it for mana again. ;)

July 24, 2016 5:32 p.m.

LTmiller says... #24

Hey Guerte I like the addition of Geier Reach Sanitarium! I also haven't got to comment on this deck. It looks super swicked man! Check out my [[Primer]] Seton, Druid Goodness. I kinda used the resources you posted in the comments because it was super great for organization.

July 25, 2016 11:21 a.m.

ragecat says... #25

What do you think of Magus of the Wheel for another wheel effect? A bunch of people in my group run a million tutors so I like having another wheel

August 2, 2016 11:05 a.m.