TheDuggernaught, over a year of first hand competitive experience, and the consensus of many other Tokens players both in person, on MTGSalvation, and Facebook. Certainly some lists are better or worse vs Burn but the 2-3 Sorin that every list runs are almost unbeatable for Burn. Definitely they'll godhand sometimes and you have no chance but overall it's rather favorable and gets better post board. I've had several tokens players even tell me that in their experience it was a 80-20 matchup but that definitely seems unlikely, I'd put it at around 60-40 average between pre/post board games.

Love the new list and description! Keep it up man! It's only a matter of time before one of us breaks into top 16 or top 8 in a big tournament at this rate.

I really like the list

Two quick questions about it:

First, why only 2 Spectral Procession?

Secondly, with you running 4 colorless lands, do you ever find yourself colorscrewed? 4 seems like quite a lot, at least to me.

Khe-Loc I've been running 2 Start / Finish in place of the last 2 Spectral, they've been good well beyond any expectations as the utility makes up for the rather subpar rates on both ends. I can't say I've had any color issues, which could in part due to only running 2 Spectral.

Hey, can you explain some of your sideboard choices? Why Flaying Tendrils, Nihil Spellbomb > Relic, Extirpate against Storm?

pa_c_man

Tendrils deals with Affinity, Company, Elves, Merfolk, etc and usually is a 1:1 switch with Brutality in those matchups. Nihil doesn't hit your own GY which is why it's better option. Extirpate is for any matchup where you want to remove a specific card from the game, Eldrazi Temple, Valakut, Tron lands, Ad Nauseum, Grapeshot, etc.

Thanks a lot:) Do you prefer Extirpate over Surgical for the Split second or is it a budget consideration?

pa_c_man

Mixture of both actually, split second can be very relevant and since the deck already has access to black mana there's not as much reason to run Surgical instead.

4 Ghost Quarter seems like a lot. If you're content on running 4 colorless lands, ever thought about cutting a GQ for a 1-of Westvale Abbey  ^Flip or Vault of the Archangel?

Kezvin, I actually just cut the Vault for the 3rd Godless Shrine, Vault has been very poor lately, too slow and low impact against most of the field. Ghost Quarter is a better option and yes 4 is the right number. Abbey is poor in Tokens because it's either win more or you get blown out by activating it too early.

Any room for Smuggler's Copter??

a. Extirpate. Yes. All the yes.b. Field of Ruin over Ghost Quarter now?c. 3 Fatal Push, 1 Murderous Cut, 2-3 Path to Exile?d. Anguished Unmaking?e. Are four Intangible Virtue really necessary?f. Tron isn't actually as awful anymore; land destruction, Stony Silence, Extirpate, Sorcerous Spyglass, Runed Halo is a LOT of very good disruption. May I recommend at least 1 Fulminator Mage?

That looks like a very good deck, but could use some better choice of cards. Arid Mesa and Bloostained mire are strictly worse than a plains and a swamp in this deck. I strongly recomend selling them and using the money to get some annoited processions, one of the strongest cards in tokens. but this deck right now looks like it would do well at fnm.

JOBaetherrevolt not my deck, so the owner might have a different opinion, but lots of two color decks run a few off color fetches. Ponza will often run 2 Windswept Heaths in addition to its 4 Wooded Foothills. Yes they seem frivalous, but the fact that they can be a plains of a Godless Shrine far outweighs the cost of 1 life in my book; and the extra thinning (even if it is by a 'statistically insignificant' amount) is still a thing to consider.

With that being said, a question to directed at the owner of the deck: Why no Spectral Procession? Seems like a weird card to cut given the deck's aim is to beat fair decks by outpacing their 1 for 1 removal by placing multiple threats per card. I have seen 3 color tokens decks cut some number of spectral, but I am not sure I have ever seen a B/W list without it. Thoughts?

TheDuggernaught -- No Spectral Procession so the deck can support 4x colorless lands + 2x Swamps. Having 4x Shambling Vent also makes it harder to play Spectral on curve, but the bottom line is that dropping Spectral Procession frees up the land base to run a stronger suite of utility lands.

JOBaetherrevolt, I'm not sure if you play the deck or not but Anointed Procession is awful in modern tokens, it's extremely slow, has no impact on board state, and does absolutely nothing for the deck beyond being a win more card. 6-8 fetches is the normal number, and no competitive token player would ever run Anointed Procession.

TheDuggernaught, Tethys is exactly correct, additionally a lot of more control leaning builds have been moving away from Spectral because of the extreme mana requirements. Start//Finish is usually a better card in these builds because it combines threat generation and removal into a single card slot which improves flexibility and utility. Not running spectral also allows running more utility lands and double black costs.

I'd also like to point out fetchland's synergy with Fatal Push - it is absolutely one of the freest and easiest ways to trigger revolt.

Anointed Procession is a four mana do nothing enchantment that lets you win more when you already have a bunch of other cards working together. That is not a good idea.

Why Fatal push over condemn?

sorin grim nemesis?? weel deck!

Path to Exile is pretty good, but you should run 4x Anguished Unmaking instead. It hits more stuff. Also, you are running way too many Intangible Virtues. I would cut that card down to 1 or 2 tops. They are just so bad in multiples. Lastly, you should swap your Liliana of the Veils for Liliana of the Dark Realms, and if you really want to make the deck competitive, consider splashing red for Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded and 2-3 Ball Lightning as a finisher.

You're welcome in advance for the excellent suggestions.

And the most sarcastic comment of the year goes to Tethys.... well at least I hope that was sarcastic

Without swapping the paths for Anguished Unmaking, how will he ever make Power Plays like:

T1: fetch, shock, Thoughtseize
T2: shock, Bitterblossom
T3: fetch, Anguished Unmaking

The really sad thing is that my previous comment is honestly no worse than some of the actual suggestions I have seen posted in the comments for dhamlin's Tokens deck.

At least my line of play proposed above is reasonable if your turn four is create 4x Death's Shadow lol.

I’m surprised to see no copies of Damping Sphere in the side. In my own experience, Tron is a complete garbage-fire of a matchup, and I feel like it would be a big help. I’d also consider upping the number of Field of Ruin for the same reason, because Tron has started to swing back up in popularity as of late

What about replace Disenchant with Sundering Growth in sideboard

So how is the deck... Ive played two variants of the deck years ago

One version was very "control heavy"

Focused more on late game and superfriends aspect (I ran like 12 walkers) My other variant was aggro for what aggro tokens can be

I personally like super friends but when I played that deck it was back in 2014 so alot has change in the meta yes??