Creature — Hydra
Heroes' Bane enters the battlefield with four +1/+1 counters on it.
: Put X +1/+1 counters on Heroes' Bane, where X is it's power.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
- Abilities that don't tap. Can i cast multiple times
- Can Alesha, Who Smiles at Death bring back a Heroes' Bane
- If I have Hivestone and Sliver overlord and I use mob rule can I use Sliver overlord gain control ability on them to permanently gain control of them.... (I know I would have to pay 3 each time)
- Do clone cards copy counters on creatures?
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Heroes' Bane Discussion
2 months ago
But yea I agree that he doesn't work as well with the other Planeswalkers in the deck. The two Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner have actually been very useful even though there is no + ability. I can get it out turn two most times with arbor elf or utopia sprawl and by then it doesn't die as easily because I'm already building an army and able to draw more cards. It also doesn't make me a target like how other Planeswalkers do so that's nice. I also was thinking, out of all of the creatures Heroes' Bane isn't quite as good as the others because of the high mana cost. Its probably better to replace with another piper, toski, or ruric, which has been a surprisingly good counter to noncreature decks. Only issue with ruric so far is that it can be deathtouch blocked pretty easily. Even still that getting rid of a threat so not too bad but not as good as the other two. It would be sad for me to get rid of the ghalta - xenagos combo because that was kind of the inspiration for the whole deck... I'm not exactly sure what about them sticks out as not good as the rest of the deck (can you explain further) but you are the expert here haha. I even had two xenagos because its just a killer to be able to have any creature have double power and haste but I could get rid of one of them for toski or even ant queen. At this point though I feel pretty good about this deck, just small adjustments. A few last cards I was looking at which I feel may make the deck more competitive is Soul of New Phyrexia , Archetype of Endurance or Privileged Position . The former I think is my favorite because while yes the ability costs 5, I normally have that to spare, and if it protects the land or the enchantment making it produce tons, ill take that hit any day. Added bonus is it can be tutored by fierce empath. Arhetype is nice because there is no mana cost for the ability but it only covers creatures and I'm more worried about protecting the lands and enchantments. Privileged position covers everything which is nice...except itself, so basically it just becomes a target for enchantment removal rather than overgrowth (also too much $$). Let me know about my analysis of these but my hearts telling me Soul of New Phyrexia is the way to go. Either way I feel like my friends would get mad at me for using any of these because its kinda the only hole that I can see right now and were all still trying to have a good time but if I want to play outside of my friend group I would want my best chance to win. I was also wondering what is a good way to just play more people. Is there a way to play online with the cards you have IRL somehow? or would I have to seek out live events near me?
2 months ago
When upgrading a ramp deck, I tend to prefer dropping creatures that are "just big". Obviously high stats can win you the game, especially in 1v1s, but they can just as easily be snuffed out by a single Vapor Snag , Path to Exile , or Assassin's Trophy . Having creatures with additional benefits on entry, death, and attack is a good way to get more value out of your guys before they get merked. Heroes' Bane and Ghalta, Primal Hunger would be the first two I'd evaluate. Then, Omnath, Locus of Mana and Xenagos, God of Revels . Otherwise, you could also look into dropping some planeswalkers. it may be rather difficult to protect them in the early game, and Karn Liberated is the only one you want to draw late. Furthermore, Karn doesn't synergize as well with most of the cards in the deck despite being decent removal in its own right. It can't be tutored, it can't be pipered, it can't get cheaper via Goreclaw, it can't draw off Soul, it can't be buffed by the gods, and it can't be recurred by Artisan.
2 months ago
I like Ant Queen as a budget mana sink. Vivien, Monsters' Advocate , while maybe not too exciting, is totally fine as well. Endbringer , on the other hand, is not functional in this deck as it currently stands. To even cast it, you need to draw the single copy of Rogue's Passage because nothing else is producing the colorless mana requirement. As for the other Eldrazi, I do like Ulamog's Crusher for decks that just want as much annihilator as possible, although Pathrazer and Artisan are better when you have enough mana for them. For Breaker of Armies , I imagine it would mostly be trying to draw heat away from your other creatures so you can get Toski triggers or lethal damage. In that case, I feel like the job could just as easily be handled by the cheaper Noble Quarry or the higher value Treeshaker Chimera . Savageborn Hydra is another creature I wouldn't recommend. For the most part, it will function identically to Heroes' Bane . The major problem is that if you Surge into it, it will enter as a 0/0 and die immediately. On the subject of Primal Surge , there is always the option of running Genesis Wave instead. It's less explosive and you'd need to keep in mind the average CMC of the cards in the deck, but it will never hit 0 things after paying 10 like Surge hypothetically can. If the price tag is prohibitive, there is a world where you lean even harder into the legendary matters gameplan and run Kamahl's Druidic Vow instead. Yorvo, Lord of Garenbrig is one legendary I probably wouldn't bother with. I'd rather have something on 3 helping me ramp into even nastier options. For Polis Crusher , unless you are dealing with a ton of enchantment creatures, I think Kogla, the Titan Ape makes more sense here.
Card discussion aside, I would highly recommend EDH as a format that supports casual multiplayer games. If you want tips for a build, I'm happy to help. For pauper, my experience is much more limited, but I'll still try my best.
2 months ago
I seemed to have made the same mistake with the misread. Good thing I didn't drop any money on it before catching it. I was looking at other legendary creatures that cost 6 or more so it would fit both tutors and I landed on Akroma, Angel of Fury and Ruric Thar, the Unbowed . Think these could go really well as I don't have much for flying. Also thinking about Klothys, God of Destiny to deal damage to small creatures at the beginning of games and Planar Portal to be used like Fierce Empath but also able to grab Prowling Serpopard to make sure things resolve or Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma Heroes' Bane Seedborn Muse as they cant be found by the current tutors.
2 months ago
Whether Vexing Shusher is better than Destiny Spinner or Prowling Serpopard is largely dependent on what cards you need to get past counterspells and how early you expect your opponents to have counters prepared. In a deck with only a single copy of Primal Surge , it was really important for me to stop sorceries from being countered or it'd sort of be game over. I even included Greenwarden of Murasa as a backup plan since the deck really wants to Surge at all costs. Stopping sorcery counters is something only the Shusher can do out of those 3 cards. If, on the other hand, I was mostly concerned with creatures and enchantments being successfully resolved, The Spinner would probably be sufficient while coming with a bonus activated ability. This assumes that you aren't seeing counterspells on turn 2 though. In that case, you'd obviously prefer that the counter-blocker is itself counter-proof.
If you do decide to add Primal Surge , I would try to limit the number of instants and sorceries you have. Having some is totally fine if they're important for the deck, but every additional non-permanent slightly raises the chance that you're spending 10 mana to do nothing on a Surge. Adventure Awaits is definitely the card I'd cut first since it's not even necessary in the world where you're already drawing a lot of cards off of your creatures' abilities. Next, I think I'd scale back the number of enchant land auras. Most decks I've seen running an Arbor Elf package seem to run 4 enchantments at the highest levels of play and about 8 at the casual level. My deck runs 4, but Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is essentially acting as another 4 for a total of 8. Stacking too many will get you more mana than is necessary and makes it all the more painful if and when your lands get destroyed. Otherwise, it's hard to say what else I'd cut. I don't think that highly of Heroes' Bane when compared to Primordial Hydra here since it requires another card to gift it trample, but even that seems fine for budget. You'll have to let me know how Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner performs if you decide to pick her up. I can see her being a bundled Garruk's Packleader and Kiora's Follower that I could swap Magus of the Candelabra for. I'm always wary of planeswalkers with no + abilities and haven't had the chance to see if she can prove me wrong.
2 months ago
Yea I just saw that when I included them in the sideboard. I probably still want at least grothma though for the drawing ability. I do like silvos but there's already so many other great creatures that are indestructible so I don't find it as essential. I doubt my friends want to be picky about the modern thing but in any case, I think toski still has similar benefits to grothma. The only thing concerning me now is that if I add grothma, toski, and two toralf I am clueless as to what to get rid of besides emrakul. Only other thing I am thinking is maybe the Adventure Awaits . Still, they can give more options to get the right creatures for a given scenario. The only non legendary creatures are Destiny Spinner , Heroes' Bane , and Seedborn Muse and the untap creature cards.
2 months ago
Again, ramp and aggro deathtouch don't have all that much overlap, so I'd start by cutting anything that costs more than 5 (except maybe Engulfing Slagwurm ) along with anything that is meant to fetch more lands. Defensive cards like Traproot Kami and "tall" cards like Heroes' Bane also don't have great synergy with that strategy, but they might still be fine if you're going for some sort of hybrid. The more aggressive you are, the better you're likely to fare in 1v1 but the worse you're likely to fare in multiplayer, at least in theory. Making two decks that are specialized for either mode of gameplay is definitely a decent idea if you can afford to do so. I'd also make sure that your playgroup doesn't mind you playing a casual deck built specifically with multiplayer in mind if that's something you intend on doing. Having the only deck filled with cards like Hydra Omnivore at a table full of obviously single-player decks could be awkward.
Regardless, I will admit that I'm very biased in favor of token decks on account of running them in every color in almost every format for a decade now. Selesnya is definitely the color combination you'd want to start in if you're looking to go as wide as possible. They also tend to be great candidates for multiplayer because they facilitate repeated chump blocking, lifegain, and explosive finishes. My EDH deck Get me an Army, on the Double is a decent collection of token cards that work well in casual. I do need to update it post-Covid, but hopefully it still serves as a demonstration of how Selesnya tokens can function.
3 months ago
Aside from the power 9 and the original dual lands, Gaea's Cradle is probably the most high-demand card on the reserve list. Years ago, I almost bought one at $80 for a token deck but backed out because it didn't seem worth it and now it's just absurdly expensive. Even non-reserve list cards are really expensive at the moment. Wizards has done a very poor job of keeping supply in line with demand. I bought my playset of Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx for $11 during Theros, but now it would cost $120.
Bellyaching aside, let's talk about gods. Nylea, God of the Hunt is best used as a mana sink for when you have excess in the late game. The only creatures you currently have that make really good use of her trample ability are Scute Mob and Heroes' Bane , and End-Raze Forerunners might make it redundant if that's a card you want to top out at. If you do include Omnath, Locus of Mana , old Nylea would be a great partner for him. As for Nylea, Keen-Eyed , I'd usually prefer the cheaper Duskwatch Recruiter Flip unless sending stuff to the yard or keeping it on top is of vital importance. Even though Rhonas the Indomitable looks just like the first Nylea, many small differences compound into making him a much stronger card. He costs 1 less, his activated ability costs 1 less, his combat requirement is easier to meet, and he has that excellent deathtouch/indestructible pairing. The card is honestly pretty bananas and would fit very well in your deck if you can afford it. God-Eternal Rhonas is more niche. He also serves a very similar role to Forerunners as a means of finishing the game. I'd normally choose the 5-cost option over the 7-cost one, but the creatures you can currently develop before dropping Rhonas on 5 have relatively low power. Turning a bunch of 1/2s into 2/2s just isn't that impactful, so I'd add new Rhonas only if he had bigger creatures to buff. Finally, Bow of Nylea is a very nice and surprisingly flexible tool for a deathtouch deck. If you could get ~3 copies, you could drop some of the existing DT creatures like Wasteland Viper and Deadly Recluse , add in more Fynn, the Fangbearer , and shift to a very aggressive line of play. Otherwise, I think a singleton copy would be totally fine.
In my suggestions for ramp options, I was basically just using Cultivate as a stand-in for all the 3 CMC 2 land search spells like it. Nissa's Pilgrimage is objectively better in a forest-only deck, although the odds of you having Spell Mastery in the early game with only 5 instants/sorceries in the deck (3 of which are situational) is essentially zero. I also listed Harrow specifically since I've had the most success with it out of all the Cultivate effects save for Harvest Season in token-heavy decks. Being able to immediately convert the untapped lands into a Rampant Growth or any 2-drop creature makes for incredible tempo, and the instant speed is great for bluffing. Seeing a counterspell after the land sac is brutal though so I do understand the hesitation. If that's your biggest worry, I'd also keep an eye out for Allosaurus Shepherd (high budget), Veil of Summer (mid budget), and Autumn's Veil (low budget) as options for the sideboard.