Thanks to remind me [BaronBS]! I am currently updating the description right now, just tell me how you like it after!

I can't believe I never noticed this, but Selvala, Heart of the Wilds is beyond broken in Omnath, Locus of Mana, especially with untap effects and draw cards equal to the highest power among your creatures. With Eldritch Evolution also entering the mix I think Omnath is once again worthy of weak tier 2 status. Selvala may also be tier 2 as well. She is far better than I originally thought as a general.

that's a cute interaction, a cheaper doubling cube that draws you card is pretty noice. also i thought eldritch evo was to hand. straight wow.

I did a major overhaul of my Edric, Spymaster of Trest list. If anyone (NarejED, ShaperSavant, Etc.) wants to take my list and turn it into something worthy of being listed on this page you have my full permission. I really couldn't care less about self promotion. I just want SOMEONE to make the T1 Edric deck we are missing.

DECK: Someone So Small

MoxProxy, you saw mine right? I did use your list as a base. Reposting:

Hermits Make The Best Spies... Wait, What?

Commander / EDH sonnet666

SCORE: 1 | 6 COMMENTS | 111 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER

Hotcake_Gotsyrup: Since she is creature she can be paired with omnath nearly every game in the first few turns. There are also about 7 or 8 good cards that untap creatures creature effects and 5 or so good Life's Legacy effects that pretty much draw you into a game winning combo by turn 3-5 most games. It is mono green yes, but she is to omnath what prophet of kruphix was to momir vig.

Fun chain:

Have Omnath and Slevala out, float 5 green and double to 8, cast EE sacing Omnath and tutor out Seedborn Muse, use the 5 left over to recast Omnath, pass turn and start going absolutely crazy during your opponent's upkeeps.

Actually you'd go to 9 because of Omnath base P/T, but same difference.

I have a list I have been working on with omnath that I will post later this week you all can see to determine whether or not omnath should be moved up or not.

I initially disagree with the Omnath T2 status; fetching Selvala with Omnath as general is just as easy a fetching Omnath with Selvala as general, and Selvala has far better infinites (including an infinite consisting entirely of tutorable creatures: Great Oak Guardian, Temur Sabertooth, herself). She also has the standard Staff/Mantle combos.

Once you post your exact list I can see how close I am, but competitive Selvala goes off a lot more consistently than competitive Omnath tutor into Selvala (as Selvala has several other infinites and ways to make mana).

Most of the T3 mono-green generals (Selvala, Omnath, Titania, Freyalise, Ezuri1) all have builds that lead to kills by T3-T5. This alone shouldn't be the factor for going up in tiers.

Mishra should be a Tier 6, totally worthless ability in EDH.

That is the most beautiful troll comment I think I have ever read.

single tear rolls down cheek

MagicalHacker, Hopefully. I'm really tired of explaining Mishra storm to people.

They mention a nonexistent tier, how could it be anything else?

Just put it in the FAQ.

Slivortal, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, Great Oak Guardian, and Temur Sabertooth is only infinite once one of your creatures has a power of 9 or more. Kicking that off with just those three in the first few turns of the game is actually kind of difficult.

I'm having problems seeing how these example lists are optimized with such a small land base after the Mulligan change.

Is it just aggressive mulligans? I mean, 30 lands seems pretty low to me. I would love to cut lands out for better cards but I'm just not seeing how these decks are hitting their land drops, especially to go off by T3.

Certain commanders can get away with 30 lands even after the mull change.

Brago, Edric, Yisan, Leo... Really it's any commander that has high levels of card advantage, a low curve, and a lot of cheap ramp. It just so happens that most of those commanders are in the top tiers since those are really effective qualities to have in a commander.

If your strategy never needs you to get past your fifth mana source, you can worry a lot less about hitting all of your land drops for the entire game.

Some of the lists obviously just haven't been updated and could use a few more lands, but most of the top tier commanders aren't likely to get screwed even with the change.

Slivortal: I disagree with your assessment of omnath vs selvala as generals. I'm of the opinion that omnath is the stronger of the two.

While selvala is a combo piece and can combo off with cards like Staff of Domination she is nothing special for mono green. There are plenty of other cards that combo in the same way selvala does (Satyr Wayfinder, Karametra's Acolyte, Argothian Elder, Priest of Titania, Elvish Archdruid, Wirewood Channeler) so having this effect in the command zone is not really that amazing in and of itself.

Producing stupid amounts of mana is what mono green does well on its own. What it cannot always do is effectively use that mana. Selvala is an upgrade over Ezuri and azusa in this regard, but not by much. Her draw ability is janky as hell and really isn't viable for cEDH. The attempts I have seen on the cEDH subreddit have tried to force some pretty horrifyingly bad cards into her 99 (i.e Primal Forcemage & Lupine Prototype) just so she does not run out of gas by turn 3 or 4 or reward opponents.

Omnath on the other hand is one of a kind in mono green. He stores mana for future use to help ensure no mana gets wasted. He also combos with several powerful draw spells: Garruk, Primal Hunter, Life's Legacy, Momentous Fall, Greater Good, and Soul's Majesty that essentially function like Ad Nauseam and can easily be chained to draw and play your entire deck in one epic turn.

Selvala may be faster (at times) but her lack of good card draw makes her FAR less consistent. Consistency is why Yisan is tier 1 (that and his ability is uncounterable and instant speed) not raw speed as Seton, Krosan Protector is probably faster. Omnath is less consistent than Yisan but he has a big advantage over the rest of the field with his ability to dig deeper into his deck than anyone else.

Alright so here is the decklist. The deck wins most games by drawing the majority of my deck and killing the table with a massive Ezuri Overrun or by machine gunning down all opponents creatures with Ulvenwald Tracker and then killing evryone instantly with Shaman of Forgotten Ways. Its not perfect, but it is close to what it will eventually become.

"Bring out the Gimp"

Commander / EDH* Lilbrudder

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Lilbrudder First of all, I like the list. It definitely takes the list in a very different direction than I've seen most of the recent Omnath builds, and makes me rethink the archetype a little. I've seen the Life's Legacy and elfball builds separately, but never thought of combining the two. Have you considered upgrading your mana base to Snow-Covered Forests+Mouth of Ronom to deal with Linvala? It's a relatively common play out of Sisay and/or hatebears, and having a tutorable noncreature way of answering it is great. I'm also not sure about Aluren's place in the decklist. It does go off with Cloudstone Curio, but lots of cards go off with Cloudstone Curio, and Aluren both gets easily disrupted by cards like Reclamation Sage, and just loses you the game if you fail to go off. It is protection for Omnath vs. spot removal, but I'm not a fan of Aluren unless you're planning on going off the same turn you play it.

I'd also recommend that you check out my Freyalise list if you get a shot; it consistently goes off T4-T5 if undisrupted as well, but it focuses more on going wide with Collective Unconscious effects as opposed to going tall with large creatures + Life's Legacy effects.

Freyalise High Tide

Commander / EDH Slivortal

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Regardless, my problem with mono-green decks is that most of them play completely at the whim of your opponents. Omnath's great if there's no fast spot removal, and Freyalise is great if there are no T1-T2 counterspells to check her, but both of them can stall pretty fast if answered, and still aren't faster than most dedicated opposing combo decks. Yisan somewhat solves this problem by being low-investment and tutoring up interaction at instant-speed, but the "infinite draw" decks don't really have that kind of interaction outside of your standard stax pieces. This (relative) slowness and inability to meaningfully interact with your opponents while advancing your own gameplan really makes it difficult for non-Yisan mono-green decks to break into T1/T2. Now, I may be overestimating T2, and going off T4/T5 with some minimal sorcery-speed disruption may be enough, but that's my biggest problem with non-Yisan decks in the archetype, and why I'm so reluctant to really call them really T1 cEDH material.

I guess my issue is partially in what defines T2. If T2 is simply defined as a "tier below T1," then I think the mono-green combo decks probably make it. I've had pretty consistent success against most of the T2 generals (Alesha, Arcum, Sisay, Azami, Daretti, Damia, Maelstrom, Meren, etc) with mono-green combo decks, but the problem is that the T1 decks are so much better. A lot of the T2 decks tend to be able to at least run certain checks against T1 decks and hold their own at the tables due to their colors and instant-speed disruption, but those things are sorely lacking in mono-green. If you define T2 as "being able to hold their own against T1 decks," things get pretty tough.

Of course, the definition of T2 also mentions "1 turn slower than T1" which happens to be the problem with most mono-green combo (T4-T5 as opposed to T3-T4), so for that reason I can see them being upped. But there are a bunch of T3 generals that have viable T4-T5 combo builds, so if we start moving decks up on that basis alone, we'd have to redefine the tier definition.

Speaking of Seton, Krosan Protector... This hasn't been brought up in forever, but we never bumped Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro out of T4, which is weird, since her shaman-ball build runs almost exactly like his druid-ball.

Slivortal, Aluren is a staple in Omnath lists because it lets you replay Omnath at instant speed after removal and not lose all your mana.

Lilbrudder, In a similar vein, why no Nim Deathmantle? Works almost as well at keeping Omnath on the board.

sonnet666 I realize this ("It is protection for Omnath vs. spot removal, but I'm not a fan of Aluren unless you're planning on going off the same turn you play it."), but Aluren's such a dangerous double-edged sword. If there are any other T1-T2 green based-generals at the table and you play it and pass, you're probably not untapping the next turn. It's just about as bad as (if not worse than) passing the turn after playing Concordant Crossroads.