Hm... I'm not sure about your prediction that the format will be slower, abzan aggro is still around in some capacity, and I personally expect it to pick up some new tools. Your mana base seems quite solid, though I'd expected to see a bit less of an emphasis on blue and red mana, I haven't found Frontier Bivouac to be necessary in my testing of a similar deck, so I went up to the full 4 Lumbering Falls. Anyways, I just wanted to say your deck seems really cool, I'll be stealing the idea of incorporating See the Unwritten, it seems fun with the largest Eldrazi.

@ Fibbe:

Thanks! Yeah, maybe the format won't slow down that much, but losing the 1-mana dorks slows down the Green ramp decks by about a turn (they'll pick up more momentum later in the game though). Certain decks, like Abzan, won't really slow down at all.

I'm really thinking hard about See the Unwritten. I'm considering cutting that one copy of Atarka, World Render and maybe something else in order to mainboard two. It's a very strong card. Not to mention that Den Protector will be able to snag anything out of the graveyard that the card puts in there. Very solid synergy. Without Elvish Mystics though (or Xenagos, the Reveler, that card is hard to ramp into. Especially because Shaman of Forgotten Ways doesn't help us cast it.

I don't think See the Unwritten will be worth it in this deck, the payoff is too small, I've got 5 temur decks on the drawing board, though, and I think it's possible to make both See the Unwritten and Nissa's Revelation have some good payoff, but it takes something like 15+ fatties, and a meta with no very fast decks.

I really like Whisperer of the Wilds, though, 2 mana is so much less than 3 for Shaman of Forgotten Ways, especially when you have 10 or more 4-drops, I think the whisperer would be much better for you, given your curve.

And if you want to take a look at my most serious deck, it's Kiora, Master of My Heart (and big dumb idiots), it's slightly bigger than this, but incorporates a lot of the good things I think you get from this colour combination.

Hey man! Sweet deck! This decks power levels are off the charts and it is just broken with Kiora, Master of the Depths! I mean when playtesting it, I wold draw a kiora and you lose, automatically. There just isn't a fair use of this card and your deck just abuses it! See the Unwritten with Dragonlord Atarka will just win games, especially on turn 4. I would recommend some land fixing, maybe play more Cinder Glade and possibly 1 more Lumbering Falls and I figured out that with Windswept Heath you can fetch for all the temur colors with Prairie Stream and Cinder Glade. And if you really wanted to, you could use the white splash for Dromoka's Command, but that's stretching it..... Just an awesome deck man! I was wondering if you could see my deck, it's still temur, but it's quite a bit different than yours.... Mine always have been.

FRONTIER SURVIVAL Playtest

Standard* Carson12rocks

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Thanks, Carson12rocks! Yeah, this deck seems very well-positioned right now and it can accelerate alarmingly swiftly into multiple win conditions. It's very fun to play in Standard!

I'm glad you're staying true to the Temur clan. Of course I'll look at your deck.

Don't forget to upvote! We have to get Temur more exposure on this site! :)

Will do, could you give me a up vote as well?

Of course, my friend. I will also comment on and analyze your deck as soon as I get a chance.

I love the deck, I'll probably be stealing some ideas from you for a while. I do think the manabase could be better, making use of Windswept Heath, Cinder Glade and Prairie Stream to make an untapped tri-land, but that might not work in a deck that wants to cast Savage Knuckleblade on 3.

In my own temur build cough Kiora, Master of My Heart (and big dumb idiots) cough, I've had some issue dealing with Mantis Rider backed up by removal, the addition of Thunderbreak Regent should really help shore up that, I feel stupid for not thinking of it myself.

I really like Deathmist Raptor against agressive decks, and midrange decks, and usually even against control decks, it works well with Rattleclaw Mystic and Kiora, Master of the Depths and one or two cards I'm going to mention later. If Raptor isn't your cup of tea, you could go with Undergrowth Champion, while it is a 4-drop against agressive decks, it blocks quite well and can survive your own Radiant Flames post bord, I like it on paper at least, haven't been able to test it in reality.

I'm not sure Savage Knuckleblade is the hero you need or deserve, on 3 it seems on par with aforementioned Deathmist Raptor, since a few Raptors threaten to attrition out your opponent late game if not exiled, at the cost of not hitting as hard as Mr Knucklesandwich. Mr Knucklesandwich also makes it a little more difficult to play Haven of the Spirit Dragon which helps combat late game flood without taking a spell slot. On 4 it competes with your Shaman of the Great Hunt and Surrak, the Hunt Caller, it might be better than Surrak some of the time, but he poses a larger threat on his own by making the top of your deck extremely scary, and Shaman is just sickening value along with murdering your opponent very very very fast.

In fact, a quick aside on Shaman of the Great Hunt, it's a really bad combo with itself, because it kills your opponent before you get to gain value off it, you're losing so much value in games where you just kill your opponent with it, it hurts my heart.

I have more smart words, but they've left my brain right now, I still like Den Protector when fighting aggro decks, it chump blocks really well and if you go Deathmist Raptor you want more megamorph where you can get it. Whisperwood Elemental is nice too, with the Raptor, and with den protector, and with magic. Greenwarden of Murasa is fun with See the Unwritten.

Hey fibbe, I was wondering if you could analyze my temur deck. I've been looking for help on it and you seem to have good ideas. The link is above.

Thanks for the awesome comment, Fibbe. Definitely made some good points, and it was amusing to boot!

Yeah, I've been thinking about a turbocharged mana base with more Tango lands and fetches, but my brain gets too exhausted to work out a proper setup -- it took me ages to tweak the mana base you see now, and it's definitely consistent enough. But you could indeed be right that improvement is possible. Feel free to copy my list and doodle about with a mana base that is faster/better/more consistent. Definitely get back to me if you do.

Yeah, I've known about Shaman of the Great Hunt's non-bo with itself and I've been having serious issues playing around it. I don't even think I'm a good enough player to do so. It hurts bad when I think about how much value I'm swindling myself out of.

As for Knuckle-Sandwich, he's way too good to drop. I'll try to explain why. First, he's good at every point in the game. He has the size to fight bigger dudes, and late-game dodges most removal. He even makes good ghost-blocks against huger guys by bouncing before combat damage, only to reappear next turn and attack again. Early game, he's an absolute monster. Attacking with a 4/4 on Turn 3 usually means the opponent is on defense for the next two turns. During that, we're dropping more threats and establishing more value. I love to push into bigger blockers with this guy while leaving mana open -- I have so many good options while my opponent has basically none, barring removal (which I can evade): a) make the block with Rhino or Tasigur, lose them to the pump, or b) don't block and take damage. I either destroy their blocker or get in for damage and play another threat in the second main phase. Mr. Knuckle-Sandwich is what I call the real deal or supergood.

I fear I don't have the landfall triggers at present to adequately be advantaged by Undergrowth Champion, and while Deathmist Raptor is indeed good with Rattleclaw Mystic, he's simply not the big and versatile threat I need him to be. He's also far less good without his pal Den Protector, who I used to run as a 2-of but cut because he couldn't make weight (that 2/1 or 3/2 body, evasion aside, just isn't what I'm looking to toss onto the board most of the time).

Oh, and I'll definitely have a look at your list, Fibbe. Probably tomorrow, I'm tired as hell right now. Thanks for the insight and comment!

My suggestions of Undergrowth Champion and Deathmist Raptor were mostly sideboard material, since in aggressive matchups, you want to get rid of some high-end and get down to where you can frustrate their creatures, in which case I think both those would be very effective, I know for a fact that red aggro decks hate Deathmist Raptor, even abzan aggro isn't all that fond of it.

After some more testing I realised that Savage Knuckleblade is still a good man, the pressure he puts on an opponent is very desirable, though I am too addicted to value to want to play something that doesn't promise me at least a 2 for 1 (I should get help, but I keep bringing a box of Mulldrifters to my Valueholics Anonymous meetings)

If mana-screwing is a problem for you, you might want to consider shaving See the Unwrittens (or anything, really) for Lumbering Falls or Haven of the Spirit Dragon, since those lands are also spells, they shouldn't make flooding that much of an issue

I also made the tweaked list with the mana base Frontier Fight Club: Round 2 copy, I might make some more changes, but I want you to see it with just the mana base changes first

You may have sold me on this deck, bashing faces in starts sounding like an appealing strategy, even to a durdlemaster such as myself

I've also been working on this company deck if your interested in looking, I think it's pretty decent, but idk...

The Sakura has bloomed Playtest

Standard Carson12rocks

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It seems like you are quite full on cards right now but I would definitely consider draconic roar. This deck doesn't play any removal, and on turn 2 when a deck like atarka red comes it's more important to play draconic roar turn 2 then Rattleclaw. I'm not saying remove Rattleclaw at all because I understand how essential she is, but I really think draconic roar can help in the early and late games.

You're definitely onto something, Tobyazp. Draconic Roar is pretty useful here, and you're right that Atarka Red is my worst matchup (see my tournament reports in the updates).

One small caveat, though: while it does certainly seem I have no removal in the mainboard, that isn't actually the case. I have a playset of Dragonlord Atarka, which is pretty strong removal. I also consider See the Unwritten to be removal, since it often throws a Dragonlord onto the board.

But you're right that I don't have much mainboard early interaction with the hyper-aggro decks. My sideboard is heavily skewed to help fix that matchup post-board. What do you think of my deck on Game 2 against Atarka Red?

Id say it works pretty well, but you can't rely on your sideboard to win game 2 and 3. Being prepared for most decks when u start the match is the most important. Also when ur playing a deck like atarka red the game might not last long enough to even bring out the dragonlord.

You're definitely right. Would you be able to suggest anything I could remove to make mainboard space for Draconic Roar?

Well honestly I'm not 100% sure what to take out, but I think 4 dragonlord atarka is just way to much it isn't good to have in ur starting hand, so remove 1 of those. Another card that only works in the late game and isn't good to have in ur starting hand is see the unwritten so i would get rid of a copy there. And 2 copies of whisperer of the wilds, because u don't want to draw into those late game at all, but they are still good to have so 2 is perfect

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/temur-aggro-dragons-1/ Here's my deck

Unfortunately, I don't believe I can cut any of those cards. You are underestimating the speed and power of See the Unwritten, and the consistency with which I want to draw Dragonlord Atarka. Those two cards are amazing against almost every matchup except for hard aggro (i.e. Atarka Red, for which I trade them out for removal post-board), and they are a big part of what drives this deck. Absolutely cannot cut any of them (they can both come down on Turn 4-5 with high levels of consistency). I'll have to keep thinking about Draconic Roar's place in the deck. I'm starting to believe that the mainboard is fine as is, and that I'm going to have to accept that I'll have difficult Game Ones against hyper-aggressive decks like Atarka Red. I have to trust that my sideboard will leave me favored after boarding.

Just Anaya idea, but if you adj usted your landa se w/ White, you could play Dragonlord Dromoka or Dragonlord Ojutai, I would also suggest Woodland Wanderer. Again, this would make this into more of a Temur white deck, so yah.... Just a thought, but even w/out the white splash Woodland Wanderer is good.

Woodland Wanderer is a very solid card, indeed, but it is extremely weak with See the Unwritten, which is a major engine in this build. That's why I don't use it. If I splashed white, it would almost certainly be for Dragonlord Dromoka. I can also just hit her with See the Unwritten, so I could even have her on board in games where I miss my white mana. Interesting. This is definitely something to consider. Thanks dude!

Any time. I'm just gonna comment when I have an idea for your deck, hopefully creating a stream of ideas that will make temur as awesome as possible. I actually have a question. What does my deck look like it's trying to do to you, I'm kind of just want a fresh perspective to look at the deck with to make changes with.

Which one? Frontier Survival? I'll have a look and I'll tell you.

Could you check out my deck temur Dragon elementals? I like this deck but I recommend atarkas command. It's such an OP card for turn 2. I want to get the new Kiora I think that could help my deck out as well. Temur Dragon Elementals