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Return the top creature card from your graveyard to play. That creature gains haste until end of turn. Remove it from the game at end of turn.
Shallow Grave Discussion
2 weeks ago
Goryo's Vengeance , Shallow Grave , Corpse Dance , and Whip of Erebos all synergize well with Obzedat as a way to recur your commander and cheese out on paying the tax. Only downside is that your commander has to go to the graveyard and if for some reason your opponent gains control of Obzedat then chooses to exile it, it comes back into play under your control.
1 month ago
At least in the playgroup I use this deck in, Enchantment hate isn't super-common, but it's definitely not unheard of either. There's an array of 1 and 2-mana instants that an opponent can use to smite one off in the event I'm playing against a deck that includes it. Since Annihilator is the crux of the win strategy, that'd be unfortunate in gaining the upper hand.
Shallow Grave could be interesting to try, and yes I'm very much aware of Dark Ritual haha. The issue there is that with 3 mana the only (current) Graveyard-to-Play effect I can use it for in the deck is Exhume . By using Culling the Weak it allows me to pick from the vast array of 4-mana spells with that effect, Dread Return just happened to be my best available choice of cards that I had on-hand.
I'm still up in the air on whether to deviate from the concept of this deck of all budget cards. Entomb certainly doesn't apply (at least to my standard), but Buried Alive could be a solid choice. If I were to make this deck to play on MTGO I'd definitely include Entomb , but those are some really solid suggestions!
Thank you very much, sir! You've given me some things to ponder on this build for sure.
1 month ago
Hey thank you for all the great suggestions! Really appreciate the input. I will go through your suggestions in order and give my thoughts on it:
Combo packages: you are probably right and I should trim the last package and maybe add some more rocks. Sac outlets will anyways stay in the deck, as I get to abuse all the etbs with Chainer (and for example loop Gary Gray Merchant of Asphodel ). Due to that small Aristo package, I was thinking of using Grim Haruspex , Yawgmoth, Thran Physician , Midnight Reaper and Harvester of Souls as draw engines, that can be recurred with Chainer. I could however get rid of Nether Traitor , Desecrated Tomb , Pawn of Ulamog and Mayhem Devil ...I think Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Murderous Redcap are good enough to leave in. Its just that the Aristo package lets me grind out some long games if I loose the Combos...
I try to avoid the land hosers in my playgroup, but otherwise they would be a good include. Same goes for the ones you suggested at the end of your write-up.
You are right and I should probably add some more of those. Also will add a Dockside Extortionist as it seems perfect for Mana generation in this deck.
Thanks again for the detailed comments! Will try to work the suggestins in tonight (should not spend more time on this right now, as I am at work) and have a look at your decks as well.
1 month ago
This list looks really good. I have a few thoughts:
With regard to combo packages, you generally want to use pieces that can be valuable on their own, while taking as few card-slots as possible. I highly suggest only leaving in the Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and the Worldgorger Dragon combos. I say this because the other combos require more cards that are dead on their own and/or cost too much mana. Leaving in just two combos, which have some interchangeable parts, means you have more slots for disruption, the deck is more consistent, and the average power of each top-deck you get increases.
You may want to consider haste-enabling reanimation magic, since you can use it to combo off without needing your general on the table. In general, the more you can combo off independent of your commander, the more frequently you'll win; people know 'kill on sight' generals, and can generally keep them off the table. Some spells to consider are: Corpse Dance (stacking the creatures you Buried Alive so Necrotic Ooze is on top of your 'yard), Shallow Grave (same stack) and Torrent of Souls . Obviously, this is a secondary method, but it's worth considering running one of these spells.
Your opponents are going to hate on you pretty hard (as people hate on all combo decks), so counter-disruption is going to be necessary. By Force is a powerful way to knock out Grafdigger's Cage , Nihil Spellbomb and similar stuff. Enchantment-based hate is a lot more difficult to deal with in Rakdos; I suggest using Engineered Explosives and/or Blast Zone to deal with cards like Leyline of the Void or Rest in Peace .
Your manabase is good, but I see some room for improvement. I think High Market is probably better than Miren, the Moaning Well as a sac-outlet, simply because it costs a bunch of mana to activate Miren, the Moaning Well . I may be missing something, but I don't think Piranha Marsh and Sunscorched Desert are very good here. I suggest running basic Mountain s and Swamp s instead.
I think you're also running two to three too many lands. You're running the best two-mana rocks, but running some of the slightly-less-awesome ones instead of a few lands can let you ramp to cast your general turn three. Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone and Coldsteel Heart are all good in addition to your Sol Ring , Talisman of Indulgence , etc.
Finally, red has some pretty great hate cards. Pretty much every deck searches at some point, so Stranglehold is a great card (that also occasionally hoses Narset, Enlightened Master decks). Price of Glory is good as a deterrent to countermagic. Depending on your meta, Flashfires , Boil and Omen of Fire can all end games -- I'm not sure what dork at R and D make Boil and Omen of Fire instants, but he deserves a high five.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck man! Hope this helps.
2 months ago
Hey y'all sorry for taking a bit to get back to you, I'll do another round of question answering here:
Federsavo Thanks for the reminder, Force was definitely supposed to make its way into the sideboard, it hurts a bit off of Naus, but it's a fantastic choice for metas where you're seeing a lot of on board hate. Adding to the side right now.
chopsueyrice So uh, that's sort of the rub with non-blue lol. If you're threatening consistently, you're just gonna end up being targeted sometimes, and there's not a whole lot you can do about it. That being said, even though I've never personally had to tune for that specific issue, I can offer some theory for how to deal with it. First of all, think about adapting your playstyle. The deck can win at instant speed with Necromancy Shallow Grave and Apprentice Necromancer , so use those to your advantage to try to slip by interaction and force people to respect it. Also, if there's no chance in hell that you're gonna win the game through people holding up countermagic, don't be afraid to aggressively tutor for card engines to get ahead while they have to hold their interaction for your wins. Now for the actual card choices:
Boseiju, Who Shelters All is a pretty great meta choice in Flash decks, and although it's worse here because obviously, no Flash , it can still help to get big spells resolved through whatever people are holding up for them (Namely Ad Nauseam and Natural Order are the big ones here)
Along similar lines, Praetor's Grasp is actually a secret all-star if you have any other Flash decks in your meta. It can be a tad awkward to make blue mana, but there are enough rainbow sources in the deck to be able to get there, and it's not difficult to slot in Forbidden Orchard Exotic Orchard Tarnished Citadel alongside it if you want the extra consistency. And as a fail case, if they already have the Flash in hand, it can basically function as a Grim Tutor , which we're usually playing anyway.
Xantid Swarm honestly isn't terrible lol. It's creature tutorable and usually requires an answer from someone unless they want to just give you a turn, so I'd suggest testing it out if you're just having to deal with countermagic non-stop.
Ok, all that being said, test out literally whatever you want to help deal with those issues except for exactly two cards: Dosan the Falling Leaf and Defense Grid . Trust me, they ain't worth the trouble, you're never gonna have the mana to cast them and win in the same turn, and they're gonna kill you more often than not if you pass the turn after casting em.
4 months ago
I'm not sure Cryptbreaker or Skirk Ridge Exhumer are the right way to go; I think tutors tend to be significantly better. Final Parting is good for getting both the reanimation spell and the reanimation target. Ancient Excavation and Frantic Search are good cards I see in your maybeboard; they pitch drawn targets from your hand, while also replacing them with good cards. Mystical Tutor helps to find whatever spell you need to reanimate. Vampiric Tutor is the best, though that card is pushing $70-$80 now.
I feel like the cards you're trying to reanimate are not as powerful as they could be. Grave Titan is great, if only because it gets 10 power on the board immediately, but I don't see all too many other great reanimation targets. Massacre Wurm is a good card, though it can be expensive; Harvester of Souls is also a good target. If you want to reanimate cards like Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre , Shallow Grave and Makeshift Mannequin could be useful.
If I may offer some non-reanimation advice:
Gravecrawler is a GREAT card in your maybeboard. It works well with Ashnod's Altar , adding for . If you run something like Skullclamp , it becomes a recurring : Draw two cards. It is worth noting, though, that this does not work if you have a lord on the table pumping your dudes. Furthermore, if you loop it with Phyrexian Altar and Altar of the Brood , you can mill everyone out. Pass the turn and you win.
Graveborn Muse is another good card-draw engine, as are Phyrexian Arena and Staff of Nin . I don't know exactly how wide your deck goes, but if it has a significant number of creatures on the board at any given time, Slate of Ancestry may merit an include.
If you run Watery Grave , Sunken Hollow or Fetid Pools , you can fetch them with your Bad River . Running Rocky Tar Pit and Flood Plain can also fetch these duals, and make your mana more consistent. In conjunction with your Crucible of Worlds , these guarantee your land drops. Morphic Pool is an ETB (mostly) untapped land you may want to consider.
Winds of Rebuke is a good spot-removal spell that also mills you. As a bonus, if you use it after an opponent resolves a Vampiric Tutor or Enlightened Tutor , you can mill their tutor-target. This feels slightly like sneezing slowly and simultaneously winning two discrete lotteries, while at the same time getting a date with your crush. I've done it a few times, and I suggest you try it.
Damnation is a slightly worse version of Toxic Deluge . You might want to consider running it if you need another boardwipe. Windfall works well after an overloaded Cyclonic Rift . Pairing Notion Thief with Windfall gets... interesting.
Finally, I think you may find Unstable Obelisk somewhat lacking. I suggest replacing it with one of the aforementioned 2-mana rocks, as they are easier to cast. Ashes to Ashes and the like are good ways to remove creatures as two-for-ones.
Good luck with deck building!
5 months ago
Alright lets break down your deck and take a peak.
Nothing too crazy with your land base. I'm not wild about the "two or fewer" lands, or the "two or more opponents" lands, but they work inside an EDH pod. Two or fewer is worse in my opinion. Forbidden Orchard is a card you should definitely consider, Gemstone Caverns as well. River of Tears is not reliable and I'm not a fan. Obviously the original Duals will serve you well here, but those are $$$.
Looks like your land base is trying to run High Tide as well as Tainted Pact . Those cards unfortunately aren't compatible, so you need to choose one package. I think Tainted Pact is a better choice because its a neat A + B with Laboratory Maniac , whereas you don't have a guaranteed outlet for all that High Tide mana. Consider trimming down to just 1x of all your lands, look at one time rainbow lands if you need budget Aether Hub Tendo Ice Bridge .
Simply put, you have too many win cons. Turn the slots from the weaker ones into support for your stronger ones.
Wanderwine Prophets is expensive to cast. It also requires combat damage to a player, meaning your combo is only live as long as you can swing freely. Regardless, its still a strong way to close games. You need to run proper support for reanimating. First, you need to increase reanimation density. Necromancy Apprentice Necromancer Exhume Shallow Grave . Next, you need to ensure you can get your reanimation targets to the graveyard. Careful Study is probably the only one I'd add, although there are certainly more options. Finally, it helps to have extra reanimation payloads in case Wanderwine is unavailable. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur and Consecrated Sphinx are both strong enough to cause you to run away with games from card advantage, most likely guaranteeing a win.
Next, Tainted Pact / Demonic Consultation + Laboratory Maniac . I think this is the strongest win condition you're currently running. Important that you pack density of "draw a card" effects to guarantee same turn winning. Make sure to optimize your land base so Tainted Pact is a guarantee!
Mind Over Matter + Azami, Lady of Scrolls is your weakest combo. Its needlessly expensive at 11 mana! The pieces are also the hardest to cast and tutor. The 4 blue in MoM makes it prohibitive sometimes, same with the 3 in Azami. The pieces are also found by the fewest amount of tutors you run, while the tainted pact combo is far more easily searchable.
Dualcaster Mage / Naru Meha, Master Wizard + Ghostly Flicker / Illusionist's Stratagem is also relatively weak. Requires you to hold then dump all the mana during the same turn, and 6-8 mana is not a fantastic range. The cards are also rather weak outside the combo, but not horrible. You can add additional value by getting more ETB creatures or blink effects for combo. Twinflame Heat Shimmer Cackling Counterpart Imperial Recruiter
Looks like you know what you're missing as far as moxen goes. You should also consider running the Signet cards, gives reliable ramp that avoids land hate. Also adds artifact density for when you get that Mox Opal . Wayfarer's Bauble is bad and should be cut.
You are lacking some card draw that would help you. Dark Confidant Mystic Remora Rhystic Study . Sensei's Divining Top works extremely well with fetchlands and would provide value here. Top would also allow value wincons to be inserted like Dramatic Scepter or Paradox Engine . Kess, Dissident Mage gives massive value here and helps you escape from grindy mid games against other control decks. Wheel of Fortune and Timetwister will obviously help here, but are $$$. Windfall is extremely strong as it neutralizes opponents who get massive card advantage early in the game, or helps you after you dump a fast hand.
Interaction and Removal
Pyroblast is worse than REB and you shouldn't run it. 13 counterspells is certainly too high, you can also cut another. You currently run three spells that can deal with a resolved enchantment, Chain of Vapor Galecaster Colossus and Venser, Shaper Savant . A Rule of Law or Arcane Laboratory that has resolved ends your game. Galecaster is pretty low value and should be removed. Dismember both hits for a lot off of Ad Naus and costs a lot on your Ad Naus to be low costed to cast. You should swap it out for a sweeper like Pyroclasm or Earthquake , you already have strong targeted removal. Abrade is the exception, and should be added due to its flexibility.
You are definitely on the right track. Cast a critical eye towards anything 3+ CMC, as those greatly rob your Ad naus and are harder to cast. Archaeomancer and Galecaster Colossus specifically stand out as removes. Test out a few different Grixis flavored wincons and see which one feels the best based on the paper cards you have. Take a peek at Kiki Jiki + friends, as well as Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal . Kiki fits into reanimator, and dramatic scepter is extremely easy to slot and assemble. Test out Dualcaster/Meha with additional combo payoffs, because there are quite a few that let them combo off. Your deck is currently at a point where you need to start greatly considering card quality and slot intensiveness. The fewer slots, the easier to cast, the more the pieces have value alone outside the combo, the better. You also need to start considering the hate pieces other decks are going to run. How do you handle Torpor Orb for example?
9 months ago
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