Jedit Ojanen

Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Oldschool 93/94	Legal
Pauper	Legal
Pauper Duel Commander	Legal
Pauper EDH	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (12)

legendofa on New Social Contract Breach Discussion

2 years ago

Gleeock I haven't gotten in a multiplayer game with randoms for years now, I've never played cEDH, and I don't actually have a regular group at the moment (frustration and sadness), so I'm probably out of touch with actual multiplayer reality.

All the same, though, I have a couple of responses. "[T]he only other valid player threw a tantrum & left the game" is not good play. But I take special exception to the tantrum. If, hypothetically, the other player said "I'm afraid I have no chance at winning, I concede. Good game, and well played," would that still be an issue? I understand that the game flow can be radically changed by who's present and available. However, I see the following: conceding gracefully is respectful and legal. Conceding with a tantrum is disrespectful, but legal. Refusing to vote on Expropriate, then continuing to play, is disrespectful and illegal. And 104.3a very much says a player can dip out of it all: "A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game."

But the legality of concession isn't really the issue here. The issue is "when is quitting the game right to do?" Instead of directly answering, I'd like to add some supplemental questions, based on this thread and my own thoughts.

1. Is it fair play to concede in response to being attacked? If Gahiji, Honored One Beatdown attacks Tobias Andrion with a Titanic Ultimatum and enough creatures to defeat Tobias, can Tobias concede immediately to avoid the lifelink damage? Does the answer change whether Gahiji is dominating the match at 300 life + board vs. barely hanging on at 4 life and built up a Fervored board this turn?

2. Is it fair play to concede if a player can reasonably expect to be unable to proceed, if an opponent is relying on their presence? If Sen Triplets Stax has stripped all artifact removal from The Lady of the Mountain's deck through Sadistic Sacrament and has taken control of nearly all of The Lady's permanents, can The Lady concede on the grounds that she reasonably believes she can't win, even though it would cost Triplets some key blockers?

3. Is it fair play to concede a game if it forces another player into a line of action? Marisi, Breaker of the Coil Combat Control goads Jedit Ojanen into attacking. During Jedit's first main phase, before Jedit attacks, Barktooth Warbeard gets a critical removal spell countered and decides this game is unwinnable. Is Barktooth free to gracefully and respectfully concede, forcing Jedit to attack the remaining available player?

I don't claim to have objectively correct answers to these questions, but I think they add some needed nuance to the central question of when someone can concede to another person's detriment.

Obviously, conceding shouldn't be done yelling and tableflipping. But assuming a modicum of decency, I think conceding should be available at any time, within the agreement of the group. It can be difficult to determine whether conceding is done tactically, spitefully, or simply to cut losses, and having a pre-match conversation can settle these issues, so that's a point I strongly agree with. In a more competitive setting, I guess leave it to the judges to explain pre-tournament and adjucate as needed? That's outside of my expertise.

Tyrant-Thanatos on not a rules question, but …

3 years ago

this rule was fine because at the time legendary cards kinda sucked they were difficult to cast and had high upkeep demands

For the most part yeah. I'll never understand what possessed them at the time to make cards with an inherent downside even worse. It's easy to look back at old cards and think "well times were different" but like nah, cards like Jedit Ojanen were honestly always bad, even for their time.

What you are thinking of us that a creature that dies to the legend rule is not “sacrificed”.

Nor is it destroyed, which is sometimes confused as well.

And for the record,

"could you imagine a clone deck keeping everyone's commanders boxed?"

This was the case for a while. EDH predates M14, the set that changed the rule from the "all are lost" to the current system. I don't know exactly when EDH was conceived, or the precise moment it was posted online, but I know it's at least as old as 2007, so for at least 5 years Clone s acted exactly in that capacity, as hard removal for commanders.

Idoneity on None

3 years ago

The set of Legends introduced both Legendary creatures and multi-coloured cards into the game. More important is the second for the sake of this comment.

Dakkon Blackblade , of the same set as Halfdane , oddly adheres to what we see today of the ordering, being .

Lady Evangela bears the mana cost of .

More inconsistencies can be seen in Sol'kanar ()and Tetsuo Umezawa (), Xira Arien () and Vaevictis (), and, lastly, Angus () and Ragnar ().

Oddly enough, all of the four Naya legends ( Johan , Jacques , Palladia-Mors , and Hazezon Tamar) have the same colour ordering.

All of the two-colour combinations (except for Rakdos ?) are backwards from what we see today, yet are all constant.

The Dark's Scarwood Gobbo () is similar to Legends' mana costs, an ensample being The Lady of the Mountain () (my favourite card of all time).

The afield system seems to have been rectified in Ice Age, for it had Centaur Archer (), Diabolic Vision (), and Chromatic Armor ().

(Legends had Jedit Ojanen ())

My concensus here is that WOTC did not have much of a grasp as to amounts and mana costs in the debut set, whereupon inconsistencies may be seen about the expansion, yet they righted this two releases later.

Not much is actually in this comment, but others may use this information as they wish to sieve through Magic's multi-coloured monstrosities.

ThePerilousRealm on Favorite Mtg Art?

3 years ago

Jedit Ojanen has my favorite art of all time. Card needs to be cheaper and errat'd to and though.

Caerwyn on The Prismatic Piper

3 years ago

DeinoStinkus

Barktooth Warbeard, Chandler, Jedit Ojanen, Jerrard of the Closed Fist, Joven, Lady Orca, Ramirez DePietro, Sir Shandlar of Eberyn, Sivitri Scarzam, The Lady of the Mountain, Tobias Andrion, and Torsten Von Ursus would like a word!

ThePerilousRealm on What's the Most Epic Art?

4 years ago

Awesome thread. Please keep these going.

Two of my all-time favorites: Jedit Ojanen & Sorceress Queen

berryjon on Card creation challenge

7 years ago

Lair of the Robaran
Legendary Land
General's Home: Hunding Gjornersen or Jedit Ojanen
Lair of the Robaran enters the Battlefield tapped.
: Add to your mana pool.: Target creature must be assigned to block target attacking creature you control if able. If your creature is White, it gains First Strike until the end of the turn. If your creature is Blue, all creatures that block it get -1/-0 until the end of the turn.

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This idea synergizes more with Hunding than Jedit, but the concept is still there.

Let's expand the challenge. Let's make an Artifact that acts as a co-commander (Equipment optional). Same idea as the 'General's Home', but not a land.

The_Raven on Most Useless Commander?

7 years ago

Faceless_Being that card is OP compared to Ur-Drago, Jedit Ojanen and, the worst of all commanders, Axelrod Gunnarson...