Legendary Creature — Human Rogue

, : Destroy target noncreature artifact.

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Premodern Legal
Unformat Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Joven Discussion

Peoyogon on Unique Commanders

1 month ago

I always wanted to see a mono red deck featuring the ol' Homelands duo Chandler and Joven. There's some meme decks around them but I think it would be a next-level challenge to not only make them playable but doing so while also actually utilizing and building around their abilities (aka not just Red good stuff, featuring Chandler and Joven). I've attempted it once but failed miserably, lol

FormOverFunction on What Conversations do you not …

2 months ago

RNR_Gaming when there was talk about a death-metal theme for Kaldheim I was pretty let down when Joven wasn’t given given the nod. On a broader note: I think a place like this provides a lot of value, in the (sometimes circular and already-been-said) discussions that magic players are drawn to. While I don’t read all of it, I feel like the act of arguing and debating those same cards over and over provide enjoyment and MAYBE even a little comfort... I think it’s worth keeping around... which is good because it’s probably not going anywhere anytime soon. ;p

RNR_Gaming on What Conversations do you not …

2 months ago

FormOverFunction - I'm more so referring to the commanders that have hundreds/thousands of builds between edhrec and all the other deck building sites. Atraxa, Golos, Oloro, Kennrith, Najela ect. Like, a simple Google search or just reading the card almost builds the majority of those decks in most cases; I'd much rather discuss the off the wall underappreciated or underrepresented commanders :) Joven looks like a fat version of Natan Explosion and I cannot unseen it.

FormOverFunction on What Conversations do you not …

2 months ago

Lol @ 5. When I saw you mention “old commanders” and their power levels I thought you were going to start talking smack about my main man Joven . BRING ON THE BANDING ARGUMENTS!!!

FormOverFunction on Next Commander

4 months ago

I’m always a fan of using older/less-popular legends as commanders like: Lim-Dul the Necromancer , Joven , General Jarkeld , Cabal Patriarch , or even Questing Beast . They’re not always going to be as efficient or powerful, but they’ve got a lot of theme to work with and can catch people off guard (at a low investment cost). I’ve been deep down the theme hole, which is great if you enjoy it...but maybe just dip your toe in? Casual play is the best (probably only) place to try it...

CaptainToll on Are there any old cards …

7 months ago

Dance of the Manse : For pillowforty decks like Pramikon to return removed stax pieces like Suppression Field (very strong card as it includes fetchlands and PW's and shuts off a nice variety of other stuff....mainly all of my other decks as they often assemble creature loops), or Oath of Lieges , or Confounding Conundrum (vs pesky ramp) and so on. It's in mah baby Pramikon Hurr Durr Slow Game.

Driven / Despair : You got tokens? You in G/B? Man get your opponents some true despair. Super nasty in Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons . Could be deece in Grismold, the Dreadsower .

Ghostly Pilferer : You want to have a value piece vs commanders and a discard outlet for potential reanimator style and the ability to draw on its own? Here you go. Speaking of reanimator: get yourself some ape snake with Thieving Amalgam . This thing takes over the game, if reanimated early (sure Grave Titan , Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur , Sire Of Insanity and a heap of others do so too, but they are not as cheap as mah boi or make it a non game like the Sire or Jin-Gitaxias do). It's like a battlecruiser version of Consecrated Sphinx .

Joven : because reasons. Aesthetics. Insane with Liquimetal Coating . Stone Rain on a chonky stick.

FormOverFunction on Legends by Plane

7 months ago

I do love any excuse to talk about my main dudes Joven and Chandler !! Still sorta salty about them not letting Joven be a part of the death metal party in Kaldheim. Seemed like a lay-up.

FormOverFunction on not a rules question, but …

7 months ago

My understanding of The Old Ways was that we, the Wizards, were summoning creatures from other planes. From that perspective, if you were to summon Joven a turn or two after I did, you would effectively be stealing him...similar to a Control Magic effect. I always liked this because it stayed in-line with the theme or story of what the game was. Sometime, maybe around Ravnica, they changed the legend rule so that everyone could have their legends and planeswalkers without fear (which I thought was sort of a bad move), bumping the theme/concept to the curb. I’d prefer we went back to the old way and extend it to also only allow one of each named planeswalker to be in play at a time. But, having said that, I secretly dislike planeswalkers in general... so I probably shouldn’t be trusted with any decision making power that might make their use less enjoyable. On a broader scale, the “everyone gets their own mini-universe for a battlefield” change made it seem (to me) like the wizards were just that much further away from each other. That much less interactive. I’m probably making too big a deal of it, but it just seemed like a shame that they made that decision.

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