Nimbus Maze

Land

{T}: Gain {C}.

{T}: Gain {W}. Activate this ability only if you control an Island.

{T}: Gain {U}. Activate this ability only if you control a Plains.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Alchemy	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (48)

DemonDragonJ on Why is WotC Unlikely to …

2 weeks ago

Bookrook, yes, I agree that this was an opportunity to give Nimbus Maze a complete cycle, so I am still hoping for that, at some point, especially considering that the allied-colored verges have names that refer to specific locations on Duskmourn (while the enemy-colored verges do not, which is very interesting).

Bookrook on Why is WotC Unlikely to …

2 weeks ago

I personally would have them finish the Nimbus Maze cycle over a flipped verges cycle.

NeoLegacy on Dread Naught

2 months ago

I just replaced Temple of Enlightenment with Nimbus Maze, still open to ideas, suggestions, and critique.

StopShot on Two rules change suggestions to …

5 months ago

[My EDH Background]

I used to be an avid EDH player until my old playgroup dissolved. It was only until recently that I built an EDH deck after more than half a decade and felt lost after two recent commander nights. I had dropped off after Hour of Devestation only to find the present-day meta feels like a completely different format than the one I had enjoyed. Seeing the prEDH format caught my attention but given I had gotten into EDH around Fate Reforged, the prEDH card restrictions seemed to dial things too far back for me, and I feel like a lot of players who got into EDH around the same time period as myself might feel the same way. As such, this format may feel just as alien to a good portion of left out players today, but I'd like to discuss if maybe that aspect could be improved upon.

[The New Phyrexia cut-off should not be extended]

I'd like to make two suggestions to adjust the scope of this format. One suggestion I will not ask though, is that the set cutoff point be extended past New Phyrexia. I agree with the rationale for excluding all of MTG that took place during and after the first commander preconstructed products were released. This is in place to make the format 100% organic and extending the cut-off to any other set would be highly arbitrary and subject to much disagreement.

[Issue #1 - OG Duals and Patchy Manabases]

But there are some issues that should be addressed and remedied regarding this format. One being at the time of New Phyrexia's release the monetary cost of OG dual lands were significantly cheaper then than as they are now. Given the best manabases for prEDH would use OG Duals, Fetchlands, and Shocklands, not having easy access to one (or more) of them puts non-legacy players in the rough spot of relying on prEDH's limited and patchy color-fixing options which can leave new decks performing at a more clunky pace than they otherwise would be if built back in New Phyrexia. Now I'm not against players using proxies but I think a format does a lot better at attracting a wider audience if they're not inclined to feel like they have to proxy reserve list cards to fully enjoy the format as intended.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #1]

I believe that if there is a land or mana-rock cycle that started before New Phyrexia, but was completed sometime after New Phyrexia, then all cards of that cycle should be made legal in prEDH just so that all color identities have equal access to their colors, because prEDH has a surprising number of incomplete mana cycles. This change would make the following cards and their colorshifted counterparts legal in prEDH despite being printed after New Phyrexia: (Clifftop Retreat), (Inspiring Vantage), (Needle Spires), (Nomad Outpost), (Snow-Covered Wastes), (Stone Quarry), (Sunbaked Canyon), (Sunscorched Divide), (Talisman of Conviction), (Wastes), and (Wind-Scarred Crag). This rule would also still apply to any new cards that would complete any of the cycles that have yet to be completed as well such as if Wizards were to ever complete the cycles for (Crosis's Catacombs), (Grove of the Burnwillows), (Nimbus Maze), (Wildfield Borderpost), etc.

[Issue #2 - Lack of Color Identity Options]

One aspect that made EDH novel is its color restriction on deck-building. From its inception, you would pick any of 5 Elder Dragons to be your Highlander and you would be barred from utilizing whatever 2 colors were not part of that dragon's identity. As the game grew into commander you could pick any legendary creature to be your commander instead and the color restriction carried over to your commander's color identity. The issue is prEDH's list of legal commanders provides a very limited line-up of commanders for any multicolored identity. Some color identities only have 1 commander legal for that color identity, and a vast majority of legal commanders are mono-colored which imposes a much heavier restriction than EDH had first set out to be with its 3-color dragons. This can lead to an over-saturation of players picking the same commander from the limited multicolor roster and more players picking up 5-color commanders, because their favorite color combination is restricted to just Numot, the Devastator, or Oros, the Avenger, or Vorosh, the Hunter. This isn't to say there won't be players playing mono-colored or everyone will be playing Reaper King because their favorite color-combination is underrepresented, but that prEDH restricts cards not just by set, but also much more heavily with color as well which can result in a poorer deck diversity than modern day EDH; (an issue that was not present when Commander was a much smaller and niche format). It's to this end I feel color restrictions could be opened up a bit to counteract the set restriction as a trade-off and that by doing so with the EDH philosophy in mind won't warp or distort the power level or vibe of prEDH.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #2]

In order to open up the commander color restriction, prEDH decks would have a land in the command zone in addition to the commander with this land serving as the "Commander's Domain." The color identity or basic land type of the Commander's Domain would set the color restriction on what cards can be included in the deck including the commander instead of it being the commander's color identity that restricts card inclusion. The lands that can be chosen to be your Commander's Domain consist only of: any of the 10 trilands such as Seaside Citadel, any of the 10 match-lands such as Glacial Fortress, or any basic land such as Plains or Wastes. The Commander's Domain would not be subject to the command tax and can be played as your land for turn by either exiling a basic land card from your hand or by exiling a basic land you own on the battlefield. One exception to this rule will be made for all 5-color legendary commanders. 5-color legendary creatures may be used as your commander regardless of your Commander's Domain and if your commander is 5-color you may run any basic land in your deck regardless of your Commander's Domain. Your Commander's Domain will still restrict what spells and non-basic lands you can include in your deck, however. This proposal seeks to expand deck diversity and creativity while still abiding to the original EDH tenant of limiting what colors may be included in your deck as well as provide an additional means of color fixing due to the greater lack of lands that are both decent and affordable in this format.

[Concluding Thoughts - The goal is not to make prEDH more like modern EDH]

The sake of these proposals isn't to make something new and flashy for the sake of making something new and flashy, but to make prEDH feel more like everyone's first EDH experience including for those who got into the format well after New Phyrexia but well before the current meta. That is not to say "make prEDH more like EDH" as that is the furthest thing from this thread's intention. This is more of a belief that a lot more can be gained while sacrificing very little and that much could benefit current prEDH players who would like to see more people play their format. It's possible my proposals may have missed this mark, but I would like to start a discussion on whether there are current shortcomings in this format and if it would be worth it to make changes to mitigate them or not to better the health and/or standing of this format.

Mortlocke on Why Not Expand Nimbus Maze …

8 months ago

Maybe Nimbus Maze is just too similar to the Tainted Cycle? Honestly i'm just as surprised as you that this wasn't completed as well.

DemonDragonJ on Why Not Expand Nimbus Maze …

8 months ago

Duskmourn is introducing two new cycles of dual lands, and one of those cycles is very similar to Nimbus Maze, so I wonder why WotC could not have simply expanded Nimbus Maze into a half-cycle of five allied-colored dual lands, rather than making another incomplete cycle of dual lands, since that would have made more sense, to me, and this issue is even more egregious in that it would take twenty lands to complete this cycle, which is made even worse still in that these lands appear to represent specific locations on Duskmourn, rather than lands that could be set anywhere in the multiverse, as is the case with Nimbus Maze.

What does everyone else say about this? Why has WotC printed another cycle of dual lands, which it would have been better to have expanded Nimbus Maze into a full cycle? I certainly am interested to hear your responses.

DemonDragonJ on Mark Rosewater Confirms that a …

10 months ago

In this post, a user asked Mark Rosewater if any cycle of dual lands that are currently incomplete, most notably the battle lands/"tango lands" (i.e., Canopy Vista, Prairie Stream, Cinder Glade, and so forth) shall be completed, and Rosewater responded that it is more a matter of when those cycles shall be completed, rather than if they shall,, so I am very glad to hear that, as that is the dual land cycle that I most wish to see be completed, with the Horizon Canopy cycle at a close second and Nimbus Maze at third.

What does everyone else say about this? Are you glad to know that some cycles of dual lands that are currently incomplete shall eventually be completed?

legendofa on Card creation challenge

1 year ago

seshiro_of_the_orochi Getting into some philosophical waters here. I'll dump this, then let the thread continue. (Not that I don't want to have this discussion, but we shouldn't lose track of the challenges.)

The Lorwyn tribal land cycle has all the ally colors except {RG}, with {BG} and {RW} as the only enemy color ones, and Bosk is the only one with a subtype. Plus, Primal Beyond is plonked in there, too. Definitely not any sort of typical cycle--it's not color balanced or type balanced, and two of them have different effects from the others. It's a thematic cycle, but not a cycle by color or mechanics, and I'm not sure there's anything else like that (the Future Sight lands don't count, and they're color balanced anyway).