Kelador the Insatiable
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Posted on June 30, 2015, 5:25 p.m. by SirFowler
I love the Rakdos guild and I wanted to create a planeswalker that encompasses all that the guild has to offer.
Behold, Kelador. Leader of the Keldon clan, ruler of all.
@JWiley129 What would you suggest to make it more balanced?
June 30, 2015 5:35 p.m.
Well, what's the theme of this Planeswalker? That would dictate what abilities it could have.
June 30, 2015 5:36 p.m.
His -3 is fine. If you kill him right away for it then it's just a Diabolic Tutor (which no one runs) and it's not like there isn't anything to get him off the board. If anything the ult looks kind of underpowered.
June 30, 2015 5:37 p.m.
Well, I sort of wanted him to be the leader of the Keldon clan. He embodies what Rakdos is supposed to represent. However, I haven't created such an elaborate back story as some people do. I'm not the best at it.
June 30, 2015 5:42 p.m.
Well, there's a lot a 
planeswalker could do. So narrowing his focus would be helpful in dictating what his suite of abilities would be.
June 30, 2015 5:46 p.m.
You know, I'm really not sure. I just like to include iconic cards from magic sets into my planeswalkers. Lightning Bolt as +1 and Demonic Tutor (technically Diabolic Tutor) as the -3. As for the last, it's sort of like Rakdos Charm's third mode, but just a little deadlier.
For instance, I created a planeswalker a while back that included Thoughtseize, Windfall, and Rise of the Dark Realms into 1 planeswalker.
I'm just not entirely sure right now.
June 30, 2015 5:54 p.m.
Well, let me put it this way, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon has a +2 that's a Lightning Bolt/Ghostfire, but he costs 
. A 
CMC planeswalker shouldn't have Lightning Bolt as a + ability. Look at Chandra, Roaring Flame
Flip, her -2 is merely a Shock. Liliana Vess has a -2 that's Vampiric Tutor minus the lifeloss, and she's 
CMC. The effects you're putting on Kelador are too good for a CMC 'walker.
June 30, 2015 6 p.m.
You think I should make his mana cost with the same starting loyalty?
June 30, 2015 6:05 p.m.
That might be better? But then I would up the starting loyalty and change the ultimate cost. Also, I agree, the ultimate is a bit underwhelming.
June 30, 2015 6:07 p.m.
Oh, I also just noticed that the first ability only deals damage to creatures, not creatures or players. So it's not really as good as you think.
June 30, 2015 6:08 p.m.
That's still really good as a + ability. Chandra Ablaze is the only non-Ugin planeswalker who can deal that much damage to a creature, and no other planeswalker can destroy a creature as a + ability. Vraska the Unseen does have a + ability that destroys creatures, but they have to hit her first.
June 30, 2015 6:17 p.m.
Read what I said carefully, I said as a plus ability. If you want to talk about minus abilities you've got Ajani Vengeant, Gideon Jura, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Chandra Nalaar, Domri Rade (with some help), Garruk, Apex Predator, Karn Liberated, Ugin, Liliana of the Veil, Liliana of the Dark Realms, Ral Zarek, Sarkhan the Mad, and Vraska the Unseen, as well as Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker.
Minus abilities can destroy creatures outright. Plus abilities should not.
June 30, 2015 6:25 p.m.
All right, I made adjustments to the planeswalker. How does it look?
June 30, 2015 6:30 p.m.
That seems fine, I might up his loyalty to 4 and mana cost to 
. I might also adjust the ultimate, as is that ultimate could do nothing.
June 30, 2015 6:33 p.m.
I'm not sure what to do for the ultimate. Do you have any ideas?
June 30, 2015 6:36 p.m.
Popalofiti says... #19
How about this.
Every player gets an emblem with, "Whenever a creature you control attacks, its controller loses one life", and, "Whenever a creature you control dies, it deals three damage to each creature its controller controls."
A bit long, but I'm sure there's a way to shorten it. XD
June 30, 2015 7:06 p.m.
since his first ability can kill creatures, his ultimate could do damage equal to the number of creatures in all graveyards. Just a thought.
Also, I would either remove the put on top of library, or the deal damage for the -3. Why would you pay 4 mana for a Vampiric Tutor. I know vampiric tutor is broke cause it only cost 1, but 4 mana would of made it unplayable.
June 30, 2015 7:07 p.m.
pskinn01 So you're saying it should be just like a Demonic Tutor/Diabolic Tutor?
June 30, 2015 7:16 p.m.
It should either go to the hand or not have the life loss. Having both drawbacks, make it too weak IMO. It could go to the hand and not damage also, as it would be a little less powerful than a Diabolic Tutor as it would require 2 colors to cast.
June 30, 2015 7:32 p.m. Edited.
Got to be honest. I've seen IMO, but I never knew what it meant. I'm not the best at internet speak. XD
June 30, 2015 7:34 p.m.
Ah, thank you.
Anyway, I have the updated card loaded at the top. What do you think?
June 30, 2015 7:37 p.m.
The current -7 is way OP as you could pump your creature then sac them to kill your opponent. Which is funny to be honest, but I don't think that was your intent. May be if it said a creature you control dies.
June 30, 2015 7:37 p.m. Edited.
Hmm, didn't think of that. Maybe just have it a creature they control? Or maybe something in the lines of Blood Artist's ability where whenever a creature dies, I gain 1 life and each opponent loses 1 life?
What do you think?
June 30, 2015 7:40 p.m.
the second ability should be -4 if his starting loyalty if 4
For the ultimate that could work, or you could do something like: "all players sac all creatures they control and lose life equal to their combined power" - may be a little op, but for a -7, your opponent(s) should be able to remove it before then, or their prob going to lose anyway.
I disagree with the other opinions that it should cost 5. As they were comparing it to an ability that is on a mono colored planeswalker. The reason Ugin cost so much is partly due to him being able to be slapped into any deck and his -x (which will wipe most board states), not is +2 ability. I liked it better as a 4 cmc with 3 loyalty. You already have the draw back of losing a life, and 2 damage won't kill most things your opponent is worried about losing anyway unless they are tokens, in which case 1 damage will get rid of most of them anyway.
Sorin Markov deals two damage, and nets you 2 life. SO if you make him cost more, it needs to do more as Sorin does. The reason Sorin has a CMC of 6 is is -3 ability which he can do as soon as he comes into play. And in older formats with Dark Ritual and other ramps can be very early in the game.
June 30, 2015 8:13 p.m.
So you think that it should just cost 
with 3 loyalty and the -3 ability should be -4, but everything else is fine?
Edit: So like this?
June 30, 2015 8:17 p.m. Edited.
His second ability should basically kill him if used first. So a negative equal to his starting loyalty. Other than that it looks decent. You might make his cost BBRR if u get resistance to him costing 4, with his 1st abilty.
June 30, 2015 8:28 p.m.
Oh, I see what you were saying. Ok, I think I understand the final product. I'm actually gonna go with just 
instead. It just feels right to me.
JWiley129 says... #2
+1 to Lightning Bolt a creature? That's way too good. The -3 Demonic Tutor is also pretty strong, even if you're paying
for it.
June 30, 2015 5:32 p.m.