Sword of Life and Limb

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Posted on Oct. 24, 2020, 7:58 p.m. by DemonDragonJ

There are still three cards remaining to complete the "sword of X an Y" cycle (green/white, black/blue, and red/green), so here is my guess for the white/green sword in that cycle:

Sword of Life and Limb Show

This card was heavily inspired by Sword of Truth and Justice, since they share a color and both have effects that synergize with themselves.

I had forgotten that there is already a card named Life and Limb when I made this card, so, when I remember that that other card existed, I briefly considered changing the name of this card to "sword of vigor and vitality," but that name was not a easy to remember, since every sword, with the exception of Sword of Sinew and Steel, has a name that contains a popular phrase containing two opposing (or complimentary) elements.

What does everyone else think of this card? Do you like it?

Benthehen333 says... #2

I think it's a cool card overall, but it seems a little underpowered compared to some of the other swords, maybe consider putting some lifegain or something in there? I'm not sure.

October 24, 2020 11:11 p.m.

Underwhelming, but that's actually great. Can't have another SoFaF

The mechanic is on-theme, and mildly abusable (copying a myriad token, etc)--but again, not insanely powerful nor a must-run whatsoever. Good design overall

October 24, 2020 11:13 p.m.

Lanzo493 says... #4

I like it, but it does seem odd that it makes a green token instead of a green and white token. It can either make a token that's both colors, or one token for each color. What if it made a green saproling and a white spirit token, then populated? It won't be too far off from other equipment like Sword of Body and Mind, Captain's Claws, or Moonsilver Spear.

October 25, 2020 12:14 a.m.

So what if Life and Limb is already a card? Fire / Ice and Feast or Famine both predate the swords by many years.

October 25, 2020 3:33 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #6

Benthehen333, an alternate idea that I had considered was "whenever equipped creatures deals combat damage to a player, create a 1/1 green saproling creature token, then you gain 1 life for each creature that you control;" would that have been an interesting idea, or not, since two other swords already have life-gaining abilities?

Lanzo493, I actually considered having the sword create a 2/2 token, but I felt that that would be too powerful, since the player could then populate it and have creatures with a total of 4 power. Even if the sword generated two 1/1 tokens, the player would still have creatures with a total of 3 power, whereas Sword of Body and Mind creates only a single creature with 2 power.

ClockworkSwordfish, that is an excellent point.

October 25, 2020 8:53 a.m.

RiotRunner789 says... #7

You could also just make it a 0/2 plant token or give the token a keyword ability like reach.

October 25, 2020 11:35 a.m.

abby315 says... #8

I love the name and think it has great flavor. However, I think it can stand to be a little stronger, because I don't think the protection aspect was taken into balancing account. Protection from white is very good, but protection from green less so. This is because pro-green is most useful when blocking giant green dudes, but Sword-wielders want to attack. Otherwise, it doesn't protect you from much removal. I think that's the main reason that Sword of Light and Shadow has relatively underwhelming effects; pro-white and pro-black are probably the best two protection colors in the game. Same with War and Peace.

Some ideas to make it slightly stronger:
- Make a 2/1 Saproling
- Proliferate twice
- Make a creature token with a very relevant creature type, like a Human Druid or an Elf

Personally, I like the last option. I think it's a really subtle buff that would make it a great possibility in tribal decks. I also think they'd be slightly more on-flavor, since Saprolings aren't in white.

October 25, 2020 11:48 a.m.

Yikes, don't make it proliferate twice. Having this sword be a musthave in Elfball would be interesting, though--I kinda like that

October 25, 2020 12:25 p.m.

abby315 says... #10

Omniscience_is_life Lmao oops I meant "Populate, then populate again". In most decks that's still just "Make 3 1/1s" but I guess it would still be very good.

October 25, 2020 12:42 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #11

abby315, what if the ability was "whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, create a 1/1 green saproling creature token, then populate, then you gain 1 life for each creature that you control," or would that be too powerful (and it also would break from the pattern of the other swords in that it would have three abilities, instead of only two)?

October 25, 2020 3:15 p.m.

Tzefick says... #12

I find it a bit amusing how not two months ago there was posted a thread specifically dedicated to brew card ideas for the remaining 3 Swords of X and Y and then this shows up.

DemonDragonJ I would agree that having three abilities would break the pattern.

Personally I think the life gain is already covered by Sword of Light and Shadow and Sword of War and Peace. One static, one dynamic.

There is already token generation with Sword of Body and Mind.

Personally I think the Sword should do something a bit different than that. Please keep in mind that the Swords have generally been designed to be beneficial to most colors and multiple strategies - hence why a Sword like Sword of Body and Mind is generally considered the worst/most niche, closely followed by Sword of War and Peace. The latter because it doesn't affect the board and lifegain is... only relevant in certain situations. If you make a token generator + Populate effect, it works by itself but is generally not useful for many decks.

Take a Sword like Sword of Truth and Justice. It plays well by itself by enabling its own scaling when you have multiple creatures. However you can also utilize the Proliferate on poison counters, -1/-1 counters, planeswalker loyalty counters. It has built-in support for multiple strategies.

A card like Sword of Sinew and Steel is more niche, but it has some very powerful removal effects to compensate. In addition the protections are very on-point in protecting against most targeted removal and all of red's board wipe repertoire.

Tokens for the sake of tokens is often not that impressive. That's why I would suggest to aim for something else than basic token generation.

If you are hellbent on the token generation I would consider granting a different incentive:

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If we're being honest, most of the swords don't see play and those that do are mostly Sword of Feast and Famine and Sword of Fire and Ice. I've seen a fair bit of Sword of Truth and Justice as well. I think hitting around that spot would be ideal.

If we aim for something else than basic token generation, we could aim for some tech options.

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October 27, 2020 12:11 p.m.

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