New Bogles (Top Four)!

Modern Player3.14

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nliv97 says... #1

Have you considered Swiftfoot Boots to hexproof your Kor Spiritdancers? Maybe a Gate Hound or two?

May 11, 2015 6:53 p.m.

Player3.14 says... #2

I like the ideas behind both of those suggestions, but I don't think they'd work too well.

Gate Hound is too slow and too targetable, I think. Much of this deck's strength comes from its ability to dodge removal spells (except the Kor Spiritdancers; more on those shortly), and the Hound can be killed by everything from a Lightning Bolt to a Dismember. Gate Hound is also a cmc 3 card, which can take a while to get out. While Geist of Saint Traft is also cmc 3, he does have hexproof, and his angel token can help him finish off opponents quickly. Still, even Traft is too slow sometimes, and I'm planning on swapping one of him out for a more cost-effective Invisible Stalker.

Swiftfoot Boots is an interesting suggestion. Kor Spiritdancer is immensely powerful, and getting one working against a deck without removal generally wins you the game, which is why they're included. Even if I'm enchanting a hexproof creature, the Spiritdancer acts as a draw engine. There are two reasons I'm not going to run Swiftfoot Boots:
1) Swiftfoot boots is a dead card if I don't draw a Kor Spiritdancer. Everything else (except the Birds of Paradise, which are going to come out of the deck soon) is already hexproof.
2) Swiftfoot Boots is not an enchantment. In a deck were enchantments matter, I'd rather run Canopy Cover or Alpha Authority to give my Spiritdancers hexproof.

Thanks for commenting! I appreciate it!

May 12, 2015 12:48 p.m.

Excellent Deck! Isn't Invisible Stalker just better than Ledgewalkers though?

May 17, 2015 7:55 p.m.

Player3.14 says... #4

Thank you!

Invisible Stalker is a, for my purposes, a strictly better version of Silhana Ledgewalker. The ledgewalker is valued for it's low cmc and its evasiveness. Invisible Stalker is even more evasive, which makes it even better!

May 17, 2015 9:06 p.m.

Magic45 says... #5

I have been play testing this as well vs my own decks... I have a few Delver type, burn, grissbrand combo etc. and it is performing very well. In fact, this deck is beating them 90% of the time even after sideboarding. I am also not too happy with Geist. Do you think taking 4 Geist out and putting in 2 more Invisible stalker's and 1 sillhana is the best option?

I'm using the updated version with 4 coronet's, took out angelic destiny.

May 18, 2015 1:10 a.m.

Yeah that's what I though :P ... just wondering because at the end of the update you said you would add Ledgewalkers instead of Geists and I got sorta confused XD

May 18, 2015 1:10 a.m.

Player3.14 says... #7

@Magic45: I'm glad to know my deck has been doing so well. :) I've actually gone ahead and modified the deck to cut blue entirely. I figured that even though it was a little worse, the use of Silhana Ledgewalker would allow a much less complex yet much more consistant and Blood Moon resistant mana base. I'm going to leave this list up for a week or so, 'cause that's what got in the top four, but I'll change it to my other G/W list soon. I also am only using 3 ledgewalker. You could have left 1-2 Angelic Destiny in, but taking them all out for Daybreak Coronet is fine too. So far, even without the additional coronets, the updated version has been performing enormously well. A while ago you said you might take this to an FNM; how'd that go?

@Ancient_Sentinel: Though Ledgewalker is slightly worse than Invisible Stalker, I've actually switched the deck to G/W to increase mana base consistancy and resistancy to the hated Blood Moon. Removing the blue and running the Ledgewalker has improved my playtesting results immensely. If this was something you wanted to build, sticking to Bant or even Arzorius could be an option, though with W/U, you'd loose the ability to cast Gladecover Scout.

May 18, 2015 9:07 a.m.

Maringam says... #8

SB needs enchantment removal for Blood Moon...

Naturalize, Nature's Claim, Revoke Existence, etc

May 21, 2015 8:24 p.m.

Player3.14 says... #9

Blood Moon is nasty. I've actually modified the deck to W/G recently, which means that the mana base can have more basics. The sideboard of the new list does include two Naturalize. I haven't uploaded that list yet 'cause the current list you see is what got top 4. When I have some time, I'll change the list and the description. Thanks for commenting!

May 21, 2015 9:12 p.m.

Magic45 says... #10

I'm interested in the new list and will test that as well. My results at FNM were:

VS affinity - 2-0

VS Sred Red - 2-1 he didnt draw into his bloodmoon's THANK GOD. I got lucky on this one but he didn't have enough to deal with my creatures, drew into his deal 2 dmg to all creatures too late... I had a 5/5 bogle on the board by that time. He mulliganed down to 4 just to try and get pyroclasm or anger of the gods but no go.

VS Twin - 2-0

VS blue tron 1-2 I had a bad starting hand but pulled out a win ... then next two games I suffered horribly to flooding.

May 22, 2015 3:46 p.m.

Player3.14 says... #11

I'm pleased to hear of your success at the tourament! Good luck at the next one! The new list is up.

May 22, 2015 6:11 p.m.

Zigspusus says... #12

Cool deck, I really like it.

May 22, 2015 7:15 p.m.

Player3.14 says... #13

Thanks Zigspusus! I enjoy playing it, and it has been very effective at tournaments.

May 23, 2015 8:51 a.m.

addaff says... #14

Seal of Primordium for the side board. Maybe Retether as well.

May 23, 2015 9:03 a.m.

Player3.14 says... #15

Seal of Primordium looks very good as something to drop before a Blood Moon comes down. I think amulet decks sideboard that too. When I get one, I'll add it to the list.

Retether is, on the other hand, a no from me. My auras tend not to go to the graveyad often, and while this card could have some applications in some circumstances, I don't think it merits a slot. I will be grabbing a Seal of Primordium though.

Thank you for those suggestions!

May 23, 2015 9:16 a.m.

addaff says... #16

Engineered Explosives is something that can ruin your day. If you don't see or any mass enchantment remove like Back to Nature,then there is no need. Once you start doing well consistently people will start to hate on your deck. So its something to think about.

Best thing about the seal is that it also adds +1/+1 to your creature with an Ethereal Armor out.

May 23, 2015 9:41 a.m.

Player3.14 says... #17

Ok, I didn't think about Retether that way. I haven't run accross to much in the way of enchantment boardwipes recently, but if they become more prevalent, I'll know what card to go to!

I guess Seal of Primordium does that too. Either way, I'll one or two up in the near future. Thanks!

May 23, 2015 2:27 p.m.

10leej says... #18

Eh I'd focus more on the small drop enchantments myself. Makes the deck a lot quicker. Definately trade Unflinching Courage for a full playset of Spirit Mantle trade Gift of Orzhova for another Rancor

Angelic Destiny is just bad imo 4 converted cost enchantment is way too slow. especially when you can rather just get more efficiency out of drop 2-4 more enchantments on turn 4

May 24, 2015 10:49 p.m.

Player3.14 says... #19

Most of my strange card choices in the deck revolve around the lack of Daybreak Coronet. Unflinching Corage is the exception to this rule; in fact, Reid Duke ran a full playset in his pro-tour top-8ing list. Gift of Orzhova isn't optimal, and I'd like to swap it out for another Coronet. I don't however, want a full playset of spirit mantle because they don't stack well. Spirit Mantles 2-4 on the same creature makes them essentially an expensive Holy Strength for my purposes, which is hardly efficient.

Angelic Destiny may be big, but besides Etherial Armor and Daybreak Coronet, you'd be hard pressed to find an enchantment that's more powerful. Suprisingly, I've had a lot of success with Angelic Destiny, but it can clog up your hand when you draw them in multiples. To ensure that never happens, the best thing to do is to run one. With that in mind, I will make the following changes when I get my set of Daybreak Coronet:

+3 Daybreak Cronet
-1 Gift of Orzhava
-2 Angelic Destiny

+1 Rancor
-1 Unflinching Courage ('cause the Anglic Destiny has a high cmc, making this switch helps balance things out).

With Coronet prices falling due to the MM15 reprint, I'll pick some up and make some changes. Thanks for the comment!

May 24, 2015 11:07 p.m.

Magic45 says... #20

hey dude, any updates? I'm still getting good results with this deck. Looking at any of the new origin cards to support this?

June 28, 2015 1:32 a.m.

Player3.14 says... #21

I've started to get some of my Daybreak Coronets with the reprint's price drop now in full swing. Due to the impending change, I've changed my enchantment mixture slightly. I've also gotten top eight at my past couple tournaments, which is definately good. I haven't seen too much in Orgins that would help Bogles, but I'm keeping my eye out for any effiecint hexproof creatures, enchantments, or sideboard cards that might be useful. If you find anything works well, let me know!

Good luck!

June 28, 2015 1:13 p.m.

Magic45 says... #22

how's the deck going? my meta (and probably most) is heavy twin and grix delver :( it's hard to deal with along with the Spellskite that always comes in. I have had bad luck drawing paths... or even stony silence.

one thing I'm going to test is add 2 or 3 dismembers because it hits Spellskite it hits deceiver, goyf and slew of other cards. we have so much lifelink potential we can use our life as a resource vs those match ups. let me know how you are doing!

July 26, 2015 6:28 p.m.

Player3.14 says... #23

I've been takin' a break from Bogles recently by using my new control deck (except I got the rest of my playset of Coronets :)), so I haven't any results to give you. The most played decks at my meta are Collected Company, Infect, and Affinity. Metas differ, I guess. Spellskite hasn't been as much as a problem for me just because I draw Path to Exile almost every time my opponents play it. Also note that Spellskite can't redirect Daybreak Coronet to itself unless it already has an aura attached to it becuase Coronet has a target restriction. The rulings on Spellskite state that Spellskite's ability will ony work if it is a legal target for the targetted spell.

Good idea with the Dismembers. In fact, Reid Duke sided a couple in his version of bogles that top-eighted at a pro tour! Bogles is an aggro deck with lifegain, and both of those archetypes seperately can afford to pay life.

By the way, I may have found a new card from Magic Origins that may be very good: Helm of the Gods. Run as a one-or-two of, it could be like an extra Etherial Armor. It also gets around Spellskite because equip is only to a creature you control. I've been toying around with the idea for a week or so but haven't decided if it is good or not. What do you think?

In any case, good luck!

July 26, 2015 6:48 p.m.

Magic45 says... #24

Do you have the control deck on tapped out? I'm curious to see it, I play control in standard so was looking to see what control are in modern.

Good point about Daybreak Coronet, that does help.

Helm of the Gods seems like a very viable option. I will run 2 in the main and test it out.

July 27, 2015 2:43 a.m.

Player3.14 says... #25

Yes, I do have my control deck on TappedOut. You can find it here. Based on the tournament results, I'm satisfied with it, but I would like to fit in a Hallowed Moonlight or Grafdigger's Cage in the sideboard and a Surgical Extraction in the maindeck or sideboard. Also, most modern control decks run around 7 counterspells, so I'm under on that number a bit - but it still works, so I'm happy. :)

Thanks for trying out Helm of the Gods! I'll make up some proxies and test it myself so we can compare results.

July 27, 2015 9:31 a.m.

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