thegigibeast, it could be, but I really think the deck needs white or black to be able to tutor for Food Chain since blue and green can't really tutor for enchantments (although Drift of Phantasms is pretty good in this situation). Other than that, I think it could lead to some pretty nasty decks.

Zegana is already Tier 2.

I've seen Maelstrom Wanderer food chain just to get 8 cascade triggers in one go on an opponent's end step.

Yep MagicalHacker you're true... I just thaught about it, could Sidisi, Brood Tyrant do something out of Food Chain?

thegigibeast: That is a great idea! Sidisi could likely mill most her deck without either of the two exile cast creatures most games then flashback a Dread Return into Eternal Witness then use Songs of the Damned + Yawgmoth's Will or Living Deathfor the win. With either of those two creatures its gg. Quick question. Does the x mana of any color mean just once color or a combination of colors?

If I'm not wrong, it's only one color, but with both creatures, you net infinite of one color, then of another one... So infinite colored mana this way.

With just Food Chain + Sidisi, Brood Tyrant her zombies could provide some mana fixing, but I think you would need about 4 or 5 floating mana at the start to ensure you could keep casting her until you mill enough cards to combo off. If you have a Reanimate in hand you can reset your lands with Peregrine Drake as well.

Is there any reason to play anything over General Tazri as a Food Chain commander?

As an outlet to Misthallow/Eternal Scourge, no. Tazri being in 5C makes her the best outlet for it. Her color identity gives access to Demonic Consultation, Tainted Pact, Necropotence, Extract, Manipulate Fate, and many other powerful combo assembling tools alongside the normal utility 5C brings.

However, FC Prossh is still far superior. On top of having a commander that's much better outside of the combo, Prossh is also more useful than Tazri to the combo itself. He replaces Scourge/Griffin, instead only requiring any one of over a dozen cards in hand to combo off. While Tazri only has two interchangeable combo pieces, Skyraider has approximately 14. Prossh is also one of the top five decks in the entire format though, so it's somewhat unrealistic to compare Tazri. Tier 2 makes the most sense for her.

I take it my proposal for an Azami primer wasent good enough? I'd really appriciate some pointers on how to improve it if you get the time :)

It's leviosaaaah Thanks!

/Winther

@Winther: The primer looks solid, however, the deck itself could use a little work. Currently your deck's average CMC is sitting at 3.49, which is unplayably high at competitive levels. Typically you want to aim for <2.75 CMC at the top range. Since you're running High Tide, I would advise playing a psuedo storm sub strategy and actually trying to push the curve <2.20. A lot of the cards you're currently running that cost over 4 mana or more could easily be cut, such as Jin, Commandeer, and Gauntlet of Power.

If she netted more than one zombie per ETB I'd say yes but that really limits how broken she would be.

That being said, with dread return and Misthollow you could do some real screwey stuff with the ETB sidisi build someone mentioned before

@NarejED Thanks for the feedback!

Not sure I'd like to run storm, but the high CMC is something Ill try to work on :)

Ill come back here once I've done a bit of edditing and apply again

/Winther

The only things that are even close to Tazri is Sidisi and Zegana, but really, any infinite combo that uses a sac outlet/flickerer as one of its pieces and can produce infinite white would be good if it is like 2-4 pieces. Then again, 4 pieces for an infinite combo is a bit much...

Opps I forgot food chain doesnt scale with the commander tax. Either way a Drift of Phantasms Eternal Scourge and Food Chain package may be worth slots since with sidisi its essentially a 2 card combo. Moreover drift can tutor for Buried Alive and Victimize and Food Chain is just a good card in general. I personally would prefer it as a third enabler over Basalt Monolith + Mesmeric Orb or Cephalid Illusionist + Lightning Greaves

Cephalid Illusionist + Lightning Greaves does not work as a combo without a second creature to move Greaves to. Since Cephalid will have Shroud while Greaves is on it, it will be an invalid target to reequip Greaves. However, Shuko does combo with Illusionist.

I can't believe I remember this stuff from that Extended deck from 10 years ago. Man I'm old.

Gates88: The needed 2nd creature is one of many reasons why the combo sucks. It also does not produce infinite mana and sidisi needs to be in play beforehand to produce enough tokens to Dread Return. I listed greaves because Shuko is completely unplayable. As for Basalt Monolith + Mesmeric Orb : The combo does not produce infinite mana, neither card is a creature, sidisi needs to be in play ahead of time, basalt sucks on its own and mesmeric orb is a hate magnet that also messes up Vampiric Tutor and other top deck manipulation spells. Eternal Scourge + Food Chain literally does everything sidisi wants to do and it wins the game on turn 2 with a turn 1 Mana Crypt.

Gosh I am sorry. Since Food Chain's mana can only be used for creatures you would need a Dark Ritual or Songs of the Damned in hand as well to win on turn 2.

Why?

T1 land > mana crypt > EldraziT2 land > food chain > infinite mana for creatures > cast sidisi and exile it for infinite mill > dread return > win?

Dread Return for Eternal Witness for Victimize. Then use your untapped land to produce one black mana, use that to cast Dark Ritual then Victimize for Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Triskelion then win. Turn 2 is unrealistic, but turn 3-5 wins can be commonplace.

What about Skirge Familiar as the dread return target to cast something from your hand?

Phyrexian Delver et all would also be a good idea to have one in opening hand for reanimating for "free" with food chain.

Those could definitely work. The more I think about it as long as you have a Victimize, Yawgmoth's Will, or Living Death in hand you could just flashback Eternal Witness or Archeomancer to grab Songs of the Damned and win the game. There are plenty of options in this scenario, which is encouraging.

I know I am off the current discussion, but I do have a question about a commander I am running myself, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth... I know it is against the rules, I am not trying to promote him or anything, I would just like to know what keeps him from being higher on the list.

Because today after tweaking the deck, I have played it since a long time and managed to win in a 4pod against Azami, Lady of Scrolls, Khalia of the Vast and Animar, Soul of Elements. Three games in a row, I managed to cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and proceed to win from there. I don't know if it was pure luck that I could do this/my opponents not getting proper answers in time, but still!

I just want to know, what keeps colorless decks like this one or Karn, Silver Golem from being better? Thanks in advance! (NarejED opinion on this???)

What holds colorless back is the lack of efficient removal, card draw, disruption, and tutors. It's hard to imagine a good colorless deck being above tier 3 without access to those things.