Dragon loop ?
Asked by Segala 6 years ago
I have some questions involving Savage Ventmaw+Hellkite Charger+Mirage Mirror and Scion of the Ur-Dragon.
Here's the situation.I have Scion of the Ur-Dragon on my board and I used my skill to gain the ability of Savage Ventmaw and Hellkite Charger, and I also have a Mirage Mirror.
Question A: After I copied Savage Ventmaw and Hellkite Charger with Scion of the Ur-Dragon, if I use Mirage Mirror to copy my Scion dragon, does the mirror also have the abilities of Savage Ventmaw and Hellkite Charger?
If it does here's Question B: When I attack with both and I get my 2 sets of RRRGGG (meaning I get 12 mana) and I pay the cost for Hellkite Charger ability and I untap my creatures and get another combat step and I attack again do I get a loop here where I get 12 mana each time then I can pay the cost each time to regain a combat step and I can do this over and over?
The other players said no but I'm uncertain (I thought maybe they just don't wanna get chopped down by the noob at the table) since there's no once per turn and it's say whenever they attack if I order them correctly on the stack maybe it works or something (get the 12 mana first then pay for the cost of charger)
Well actually it stays the same combo I just need to use Scion to become a Savage Ventmaw use Mirage Mirror to copy the savage so i can get my 12 mana and have the actual Hellkite Charger on board to get my loop no?
April 17, 2018 10:40 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #3
In that scenario, yes you could get infinite combat phases.
April 17, 2018 12:52 p.m.
Yes, or if you have anything else to give you at least 1 mana 1 mana, such as Druids' Repository.
Neotrup says... Accepted answer #1
You don't seem to understand how Scion of the Ur-Dragon works. When you activate it's ability (and it resolves) you choose a creature card in your library to put into the graveyard and Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of it. It doesn't just gain the abilities of the card, it also loses it's own abilities, so it can't become a copy of something else.
There's a trick to activating it's ability twice so you can use activated abilities while Scion of the Ur-Dragon is a copy of one thing then let it become a copy of something else, however it's difficult to use that trick with triggers, especially combat triggers as they require changing phases.
If Mirage Mirror becomes a copy of Scion of the Ur-Dragon normally, the legend rule will apply and one of them will be put into the graveyard as a state-based action, however once Scion of the Ur-Dragon is a copy of something, if it's copying a nonlegendary dragon, Mirage Mirror can safely copy it.
Putting this together you can actually use the trick I mentioned, but not to the extreme degree you were hoping. You can activate Scion of the Ur-Dragon's ability twice, let it resolve once, then have Mirage Mirror become a copy of it. You then let Scion of the Ur-Dragon's ability resolve a second time. The end result will be that one of them is Savage Ventmaw and the other is Hellkite Charger. This doesn't quite give you the infinite mana and combat steps you want, but you're generating 6 mana each combat and spending 7, so it's only a net cost of 1 mana per extra combat, a pretty good deal. If Scion of the Ur-Dragon is Hellkite Charger it will only take 5 combats to knock out one player with commander damage, while dealing 20 damage to another player with the Mirage Mirror. This would cost 10 mana total, 4 for Scion of the Ur-Dragon, 2 for Mirage Mirror, and 4 for the additional combats.
April 16, 2018 8:27 p.m.