Liliana, Untouched By Death
Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Put the top three cards of your library into your graveyard. If at least one of them is a Zombie card, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
-2: Target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn, where X is the number of Zombies you control.
-3: You may cast Zombie cards from your graveyard this turn.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Liliana, Untouched By Death Discussion
1 month ago
Idk who this Willy is, but no you.
This deck is a really a mono black build that you happen to run blue for Diregraf Captain . The way I see it you can either keep with the build you're going for, which to me seems like mono black, or you can go a much different dimir amass path with cards like Vizier of the Scorpion , Gleaming Overseer , Lazotep Plating ,
Let's assume you do mono black, then let's start with creatures. Brain Gorgers and Stromgald Crusader are garbage, Tomebound Lich is mostly used in dedicated reanimator decks, and Extremely Slow Zombie is a card from a joke set, so take those all out, along with Diregraf Captain . That's 11 out. Add 2 Murderous Rider , 3 Liliana's Reaver , 2 Undead Augur , 3 Diregraf Ghoul .
For noncreature spells, take out Negate . The best mono black removal is probably Walk the Plank . So take out Go for the Throat and Ultimate Price for 3. Gravepurge and Return from Extinction can be replaced with 3 Call of the Death-Dweller . Take out Bontu's Monument for another copy of Liliana, Untouched By Death or vise-versa. Take out Necromancer's Stockpile , I just don't think it's that good. For a five drop $1-2 slot, Open the Graves is better than Call to the Grave .
3 months ago
I've decided to make more than one list but each one should be helpful to you in the future. Also, you don't need to put in all these cards. There are too many here for you to fit in the deck.
Liliana, Death's Majesty (can be a board wipe but don't count on it), Liliana, Dreadhorde General (also doubles as amazing card draw), Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Liliana, the Last Hope, and Liliana, Untouched By Death (has a removal ability).
Zombie tribal cards:
Shepherd of Rot, Lord of the Accursed, Risen Executioner, Relentless Dead, Field of the Dead, Undead Augur (also card advantage), Havengul Runebinder, Stitcher Geralf, Gleaming Overseer, Call to the Grave (rude card), Endless Ranks of the Dead (my favorite zombie tribal card), Graf Harvest, Graveborn Muse (also card advantage), and Josu Vess, Lich Knight.
Never/Return is zombie themed removal.
Necromantic Selection is a zombie themed board wipe.
I hope this helps!
6 months ago
Hey meilers! Thanks! Glad you like the deck. :) My group's meta is flyer and beater heavy with decks like The Ur-Dragon, Xyris, the Writhing Storm, Kozilek, the Great Distortion. I love the idea of Thassa in your deck, but you have a lot more ETB effects than I do, so I feel like it'd waste a slot in mine. I was in need of good card draw and was on the fence for Graveborn Muse since it can drain scary amounts of your own life, but I'll give it a try! Liliana, Untouched By Death and Expedition Map seem amazing as well but I don't know what I'd cut out for them at this point.
9 months ago
9 months ago
Hello, TypicalTimmy. I don't really mean to necro this, but I somehow missed your post back when you made it. I would like to address it now, though.
I agree with you on how powerful the Army of the Damned and 2x Undead Warchief are in the deck. They got added by design and are actually in the deck to created blowouts for the Horde! Same with some of the other cards in the deck.
I do like the idea of adding The Scarab God for flavor and to put a clock on the Survivors. But, I am worried about the activated ability. Since the Horde has infinite mana, it would immediately activate it's ability on all available targets every turn it is in play. This may make it impossible to beat for the Survivors. I am going to add it and see how it plays out. But it might be way too far up the power scale for this. And the Horde does have a hand, can draw cards, and can hold cards in it. It just usually empties it's hand in the pre-combat main phase if it has anything in it. Or post-combat main phase if stuff got bounced during combat.
I won't be adding Liliana, Untouched By Death mostly for flavor and because the Horde is not supposed to use decision-making cards and planeswalkers have situational abilities so this would seem pushing against one of the core rules. Also, it's more a horde of mindless zombies than a concerted military effort and her presence on the battlefield would seem a little too intentional. I know I have some lords here to buff the horde, but I pretend they are only a tiny bit more self-willed than the zombies around them.
Thank you very much for providing insight and suggestions to the deck! I appreciate the help!
10 months ago
Nice, I like it! I'm also building a Sidisi zombie tribal deck (though in a much lower price category, more grindy and I haven't done much playing with it).
First, any deck of mine that has Golgari in it and cares about the graveyard is running Grisly Salvage. Is it ground breaking? Not even close. Does it win you games? Not really. Does it ever disappoint you? Definitely not. I know people aren't too high on card selection cards, but between selecting from five cards, being instant, hitting both lands and creatures, and effectively milling yourself, I find the good old Salvage very reliable. Then again, blue gets this effect in great variety, so maybe I'm just biased.
Next, I do think that you should consider Rooftop Storm. It is very high CMC, so it doesn't slot in automatically but if you can drop it relatively early, it pays for itself in the long run. It also combos very nicely with Liliana, Untouched By Death, which is a possible addition too. I also run an alternative win con (except my sac outlet is Carrion Feeder) and these two play a part in it. (I admit, it is a bit clunky, but I also play three different Lab Man effects - and Mortal Combat, that's even clunkier - so I think I can afford it.)
Furthermore, if you ever feel like you need more zombies, I have these few cheap ones to recommend: Undead Augur is a great card card draw zombie, but very black intensive. If that is too much, Midnight Reaper achieves a similar effect, though he sadly does not trigger from tokens. Stitcher's Supplier is an amazing self-mill one drop zombie, while Shambling Shell is a zombie with dredge that you can easily put into graveyard once in play, so what's not to love. If you have any kind of zombie anthem effect, Unbreathing Horde is an immortal blocker if you need that - arguably that's not very often, but the option is there. And if not for that, it can still become a very big zombie for Altar of Dementia. I already mentioned Carrion Feeder, so that's about it from the top of my head I think.
Lastly, as Kholan95 before me mentioned, you want some back up plan in a self mill deck. You said you don't want to run Lab Man effects, so in that case maybe you should consider graveyard shufflers? Loaming Shaman is probably the classical option, but I do have a soft spot for Wand of Vertebrae. It's nothing amazing, but it can drop very early and repeatably mill you (though not as well as Embalmer's Tools would in this deck obviously), which is great for a deck like Sidisi, and in a pinch, you can shuffle at least five cards into your deck, which should save you from decking and give you those few more turns to try and finish the game.
11 months ago
I'd also consider Cabal Stronghold, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Cryptbreaker, Stitcher's Supplier (since it's a zombie and helps you find other creatures that you can return from your graveyard), and maybe even Liliana, Untouched By Death for more zombie synergy and Silent Gravestone in your sideboard if you expect people to play Surgical Extraction or Extirpate.
If you would ever consider splashing blue, you also get access to Prized Amalgam and Diregraf Captain. Depending upon how cute you want to get, you could also add Rooftop Storm. You may also want to consider some artifact removal in your sideboard if you expect Grafdigger's Cage in your local meta.
11 months ago
Nice deck. I've found a lot of input for my own Varina Deck (Rooftop Zombie Storm. Maybe you want to take a look at it.
From my the deck I can give you the following suggestions.
- Balthor the Defiled is a zombie with a Living Death like effect
- Bone Miser is sadly another 5cmc card but with Varina a very strong card
- Fleshbag Marauder with Rooftop Storm and Liliana, Untouched By Death is an empty table for your opponent's and with the other reanimate effects in the deck always a good card.
- Mirror Entity is a low cmc zombie that benefits your plan B
- Bident of Thassa and Coastal Piracy are great draw cards for go wide strategies but maybe a bit to slow
- Zombie Master gives all your zombies swampwalk which can be game ending but maybe is a bit to situational