Hey buddy, I had another idea vs RDW. It's a bit pants, but just thought I'd throw it out there. Try not to laugh... Brindle Boar. No, I said don't laugh! Think about it... at worst it's 3 mana for 4 life. At best it's a chump blocker on top of that. Another thought was Bountiful Harvest, since you'll likely be rolling in lands thanks to rites. Well, both ideas suck really, but at least I'm trying!

When I tried turbofog instead of milling them I tried to life gain into Chalice of Death and then almost immediatly kill them

I do not see how Turbo Fog is playable, to be honest. A guy in my meta plays it, and I don't see how it wins. Jace Memory adept isn't a reliable win condition. So... Yeah, I don't know. I'd rather just play, y'know, an actual control deck. Not... FOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGFOGMILL

@the_spanish_inquisiton That is an interesting idea. How well does it work for you?

As much artifact hate as I'm seeing in people's sideboards, I'd feel a bit nervous using it as a win condition. Have you got alternate methods of winning?

Turbo fog wins by milling with jace's erasures and preventing all damage with Fogand the likes

But I don't think it's a RELIABLE win condition, reliability is my arguing factor. :/

@EnjoySaeli I went 3-2 at FNM a couple of nights ago. Not a great record, obviously, but I just want to show you that it can, in fact win. Milling 10 cards a turn when you've got a full hand of Fogs really does add up.

If you think of their library as their life total (less than 60, after drawing opening hands), then Jace's +0 ability effectively does just under 4 (1/6th of life total) unblockable damage each turn. And if they're drawing 2 or 3 cards a turn, you're Surgical Extraction-ing entire playsets from their library, and fogging any attack they make, it really won't take that long to mill them out.

@EnjoySaeli I don't disagree about the reliability of it. It really isn't all that reliable. Is it fun though? Shyeah. And when it works, it works so well and so hilariously that the losses are worth it.

All depends on how you want to play the game.

I went 4-0-1 first time I ran my turbo fog. went 3-1-1 this week with it. it's not that hard if you play smart. now granted, i also use Karn Liberated to restart with my opponent's stuff (or one of my Jace, Memory Adept) including one time restarting with my opponent's Gideon Jura and Geist-Honored Monk

@Nephilim you are a cruel, cruel person, and I respect the hell out of you. /salute to Karn Liberated.

@dorminjake ROTFL and thanks

Let me know what you think of mine deck:turbo-fog-49

Everyone hates people who play turbo fog though

@the_spanish_inquisiton, yeah good point. Next time I make a deck, I'm going to keep my competition's feelings in mind! :P

People around my area both love and hate playing against me when I play it. Hell it's the first question that they ask when they see me at FNM. Knowing they have the time to set up whatever the hell their deck is designed to do vs the knowledge that I've got 16 Fog effects, plus all sorts of other fun things... it's actually very exciting despite the bad weather.

What Nephilim said has been my experience, having played this deck all of once. Now if I keep bringing it, 10 weeks in a row, I could see people getting annoyed. But I'll probably use it a bit randomly, just to keep people guessing.

I've still got a perfectly viable elf deck that is nowhere close to boring me, so it's good to have options.

No more sphinx?????

idk if this was already said. but i would take out red for white and run Day of Judgment and Stonehorn Dignitary

Sphinxes reinstated for good behavior.

@mmazach I chose red over white simply because Blasphemous Act is easier to cast then the double-white Day of Judgment, though to be honest I think DoJ is just dandy in this deck. Stonehorn Dignitary is also a good option. I mostly just went red out of preference. I think either splash color is fine here.

Along those same lines, black might even be a decent option for milling purposes. Black Sun's Zenith would be your board wipe, and you could use things like Memoricide and Surgical Extraction (which I have) to delete things from your opponent's library. The colors in this deck are really pretty negotiable, after blue and green.

Its funny I saw some person running a very similar deck, he used white instead of red for day of judgement and Phyrexian Unlife, he also had some life-gaining effects, like Elixir of Immortality and Pristine Talisman but they didn't use Moonmist, Blunt the Assault, and Rites of Flourishing. I witnessed him winning an opponent's spirit deck. I asked him if he got the idea from a website, but he said he thought of it himself.

Turbofog is an archetype that's been around for a while (example: http://www.wizards.com/magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/191), so it isn't really all that original. But now that there's a fourth green fog in standard (thanks, Clinging Mists), it's no surprise that it's popping up here and there among more experimental types.

I didn't know TurboFog was an archetype, LOL

It's one of the crazier older ones, but yeah.

I'm an old player, so I remember the old archetypes :D and while yes Venser + Stonehorn is virtually similar and has been run a bit lately (at least in my meda in UW Control decks), the joy of 16 fogs (18 in mine if you count Gideon), 4 noxious revivals, and in my case two doj... gets silly fast :) Hell, I've even thought of adding Charmbreaker Devils to keep getting the fogs back. Oh and Blightsteel Colossus as an alternate win con that NO ONE sees coming in a turbo fog deck is priceless (which is why I also run Karn Liberated)