Machinations of the Draconian

Commander / EDH MrAwesomeSocks

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Post Dragons of Tarkir Part 2 —May 15, 2015

Finally! Part 2 of my Post DTK analysis.

In: Dragonlord Ojutai/ Savage Ventmaw/ Aggravated Assault

Out: Liliana of the Veil/ Keiga, the Tide Star/ Destructor Dragon

In: Dragonlord Ojutai is another dragon with hexproof. Reason for automatic inclusion. With the Aggravated Assault + Savage Ventmaw combo, I'm bringing back infinite attack steps. This combo is easier to pull off than HoverBear in that it does not require you to have seven lands out in play, allowing the player to use it much faster.

Out: Liliana of the Veil never really contributed to the deck. She was basically in just for fun. With the KTK - DTK block, Keiga, the Tide Star and Destructor Dragon became obsolete. Because I'd rather protect Scion than punish the person who destroyed him, hexproof Dragons made these two large unnecessary.

Also, I'm redoing my deck description, making it a little easier to read. Let me know what you guys think!

MrAwesomeSocks says... #1

VexenX: Thanks for the comment and suggestions!

Yes, Scourge of Kher Ridges is an amazing card! He's one of my most sneaky cards in the deck. Just blows up crap out of no where.

Belltoll Dragon has actually already replaced Quicksilver Dragon. I've just been too lazy to update it haha. And you're absolutely correct. Hexproof is instantly better than the ability to deflect. It hurt taking out Quicksilver though, more out of sentiment than anything else.

Keiga, the Tide Star and Destructor Dragon have saved me more times than I can count. Whether it be stealing someone's key creature or destroying an important combo piece, it's just another way to control the board. And my Feldon of the Third Path + Yosei, the Morning Star combo is just evil haha. Although you're right; unless I have one of my spot reanimation cards in hand, I will not be using one of my "trap dragons."

Patriarch's Bidding is not a card I'm fond of. I highly dislike giving my opponent even ONE card out of their graveyard. Plus, this is not a deck that swarms. My Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck is more like a surgical blade, striking only once, but it's so sharp that it's lethal. Every swing with Scion is meant to kill a player or to cripple them, leaving them useless while I clean up the rest of the board.

I'm not a fan of Mirri's Guile, but I have been trying to fit Sensei's Divining Top, Sylvan Library, and Scroll Rack in the deck for a long time now. The 100 card limit for EDH makes things difficult so they are left out, as I find these cards more of a luxury than a necessity. If I ever have the space though, they'll be one of the first ones in.

My signets are the ramp of my deck, and the foil ones look sexy as hell in person lol. And yes, I can pull turn 3-4 Scions with them. I'm not a fan of Fellwar Stone, as it is dependent on my opponent's mana base. Chromatic Lantern is already in, and I won't take out a signet for Coalition Relic, as it costs one mana more.

You rarely ever need to worry about hitting my buttons. I'm always open to suggestions! I just found the suggestion to turn my deck from it's current form to an Aluren deck quite dumb. I believe I looked at your deck before, but I'll be more than happy to check it out again. Magic is an ever-evolving game, and in order to make the most of our decks we need to constantly change them.

April 30, 2015 9:48 a.m.

KoriAne says... #2

Imho: card like divining top, mirri's guile, Sylvan library... Are too OP, boring and annoying, and simply don't fit a EDH deck, that is supposed to be fun. But this is my naif way of thinking.

About the Belltoll Dragon: hexproof is a really nice ability, I will not deny it, but in mine I prefer to keep as defense dragons Silumgar, the Drifting Death, Dragonlord Ojutai and Quicksilver Dragon. His ability is situational, but really powerful if it strikes.

Real reason: Belltoll Dragon is ugly. It seem an hippogriff.

April 30, 2015 10:11 a.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #3

KoriAne: I'm still trying to fit in Dragonlord Ojutai. I've no idea what to remove though. And I'm looking for a way to put back in Quicksilver Dragon. I love his ability, and I will always love that card.

Yes, Belltoll Dragon is ugly as fudge. Luckily for Belltoll, I am not like my girlfriend. I will not take out cards just because they look ugly lol.

April 30, 2015 10:23 a.m.

Zer0w says... #4

Are you claiming that Silumgar, the Drifting Death in not as ugly as Belltoll Dragon??? Belltoll is not the most attractive dragon they've got. But it looks like Silumgar is the victim of a SERIOUSLY botched plastic surgery. Like, instead of a simple nose job the doctor cut off the dragons entire head and installed a goofy looking mouth on his neck-stump. he also flies around with his arms drooping down like some knuckle dragging troglodyte... "I just don't know what you see in him".

April 30, 2015 12:14 p.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #5

Zer0w:

LMAO! You've got a point there! Silumgar is also ugly as hell. What do you think, KoriAne?

April 30, 2015 12:19 p.m.

VexenX says... #6

I know we run our Scion deck pretty different from each other, but I have to ask... why Enduring Scalelord and Arashin Sovereign? I just want to know what interactions you see. I am frankly sad none of the new 26 dragons made it into my decklist, so I am looking for any excuse to put one in lol.

I personally think Teneb, the Harvester is amazing! But to each our own lol

May 1, 2015 12:52 a.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #7

VexenX:

Enduring Scalelord combos very well with Dack's Duplicate. Use Scion's ability to transform into Scalelord. Copy Scalelord with the Duplicate. Since the copy has haste and dethrone, you get an infinite number of +1/+1 counters as long as you attack the opponent with the most life. Seems like a good deal.

Arashin Sovereign allows me to topdeck Scion when it dies if my opponents have made me waste all of my protection dragons. It's kind of iffy, which is why it remains in my maybe category. I'll definitely be adding Dragonlord Ojutai before Arashin.

I do agree with you that Teneb, the Harvester is an amazing Dragon. He can pull things out of either player's graveyards. Unfortunately for Teneb, he's one of those cards that no longer fits with the deck. It's like a mutual break up lol. We're moving in different directions. I'm currently working on a second Scion deck. He'll be making a move.

May 1, 2015 2:26 p.m.

I love this deck idea, but how are you doing these combos with scion copying two dragons the same turn. I looked on wizards rulings on scion and it says that when scion copy's another dragon it loses its copy ability for the rest of the turn.

May 2, 2015 8:13 a.m.

MrAwesomeSocks says... #9

FenderFanatic07: Thanks for the comment!

As long as you put Scion of the Ur-Dragon's ability twice on the stack, Scion is forced to cycle through each transformation. This allows Scion to become more than one dragon per turn, albeit it is at instant speed. He'll only be that first dragon while still on the stack, so anything you do with the first dragon must be done at instant speed. So once his final transformation is finished, he does lose his ability for the rest of the turn.

May 2, 2015 10:32 a.m.

taschneide says... #10

I'd have thought that Teneb would be a no-brainer due to being able to pull back the dragons you throw out with Scion... and pull them back to the battlefield, no less. But I suppose when you're one-shot-killing people anyway, having extra dragons doesn't really matter.

May 2, 2015 11:28 a.m.

taschneide: Thanks for the comment! Precisely right! Being able to one shot people reduces my need to have more Dragons on the field. However, my love for Teneb, the Harvester is very strong, and I'm currently testing hard to see what doesn't work so I can put it back in.

May 2, 2015 11:34 a.m.

Awesome! Thanks for clearing that up. I'm really glad them combos work.

May 2, 2015 1:13 p.m.

VexenX says... #13

Ya, my problem is when you one shot someone the two other people snap there attention on you lol. That's why I prefer a stronger board state then just Scion. Minamo, School at Water's Edge could be a good addition. Works well with Ojatai too

May 2, 2015 1:22 p.m.

VexenX: That's why you don't go straight for the one shot. First, you cripple one player using Nicol Bolas, Numot, the Devastator, or another Dragon that hurts their board presence. Then you one shot the other player while the first opponent is still recovering.

There's more to my deck than just cast Scion and swing. How you play this deck changes depending on what is on the board. That's the beauty of Scion. It is versatile enough to handle almost any situation.

May 2, 2015 4:35 p.m.

VexenX says... #15

Yup! That's why I play a few counters... Wrath and Damnation is Scions bane.

May 2, 2015 5:49 p.m.

Can you explain in more detail how the animate dead + worldgorger dragon combo works?

May 3, 2015 11:56 p.m.

enpc says... #17

So the setup is Worldgorger Dragon is in the graveyard and Animate Dead is in hand.

  1. you cast Animate Dead, Targetting the Worldgorger Dragon.

  2. Animate Dead resolves and the dragon enters the battlefield.

  3. the Worldgorger Dragon's ability goes on the stack and resolves, exile the Animate Dead. This causes the dragon to die as per Animate Dead's conditions stated on the card since it is no longer in play.

  4. Worldgorger Dragon enters the graveyard and all permanents return to play as per Worldgorger Dragon's second ability. This brings back Animate Dead from exile. You then target the Worldgorger Dragon in the graveyard, repeating the aforementioned steps. to break the cycle, target something else with Animate Dead.

Because your lands get exiled and return to play each recusrion loop, you can tap them for mana each time, giving you infinite mana to do with it what you will.

May 4, 2015 12:04 a.m.

Ok wow that's pretty broken... thanks!

May 4, 2015 12:19 a.m.

SomeDipshit says... #19

... Not to mention the insane value of multiple ETB / LTB triggers :P

May 4, 2015 12:26 a.m.

theQuackinKraken:

Basically what enpc said. Use the infinite mana generated from the Animate Dead + Worldgorger Dragon combo to turn Scion of the Ur-Dragon into Shivan Hellkite. Activate Shivan Hellkite's ability to deal infinite damage to each opponent.

May 4, 2015 12:27 a.m.

enpc

Thanks for saving me the trouble haha.

May 4, 2015 12:28 a.m.

enpc says... #22

The other benefit is that Scion of the Ur-Dragon can fetch it without triggering it's ETB so you only need your commander, Animate Dead and a mana sink.

May 4, 2015 12:29 a.m.

illumfolly: Imagine if I had a Kokusho, the Evening Star or other Kamigawa Dragons out when I combo off haha. That or Destructor Dragon. So much BS happening at once.

May 4, 2015 12:30 a.m.

enpc says... #24

It wouldn't trigger them though, they are specifically "dies" triggers.

May 4, 2015 12:32 a.m.

enpc: Dammit, I forgot lol. I need to RTFC more. Sorry, not used to the new combos.

May 4, 2015 12:34 a.m.