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When Destructor Dragon dies, destroy target noncreature permanent.
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Destructor Dragon Discussion
2 months ago
Spellbound Dragon will really help with draw, especially if you have two of them out.
Destructor Dragon is also really nice because he lets you take out lands if he gets killed, which makes him a really valuable wall.
I really do enjoy the deck design though :) Dragons are tied at #1 with my favorite tribe, right there with Minotaur.
Hope my suggestions helped! :D
2 months ago
First of all, thank you for your imput. I was thinking of adding a few Dragon Egg for defense. I am replacing all 3 Shivans with 1x Destructor Dragon and 2x Lathliss, Dragon Queen. Any specific cards you think I should add or remove? Thanks again for your input,
2 months ago
Having so many different things in low quantities makes this deck inconsistent. I would replace some of your cards for copies of better ones. For example, I would replace Shivan Dragon for more copies of much better bombs like Atarka, World Render and Destructor Dragon. I also think that you need to balance the number of creatures that supply mana and the ones that can block or do damage effectively. Having cards like Llanowar Elves and Satyr Hedonist are great in a dragons deck, but when your opponent attacks you will either have to take the damage or block with those cards which will almost always result in them dying. Make sure you include enough cards that can protect them and you without major sacrifices.
3 months ago
I am considering building a similar deck with Green Ramp and Destructor Dragon, I'd be interested to hear how this deck works. Are you playing it at FNM or what?
3 months ago
So it sounds like these are the card I should put in the deck: Glorybringer, 2x Demanding Dragon, 2x Scourge of Valkas,1 Dragon Tempest,1 Utvara Hellkite,1 Ryusei, the Falling Star,1 Dragon Broodmother,1 Birds of Paradise, 4x Generator Servant, 4x Dragonlord's Servant, 4x Savage Ventmaw, 4x Xenagos, the Reveler,1 Blood Moon,1 Destructor Dragon,1 Atarka, World Render, 1x Shaman of the Great Hunt,1 Elemental Bond,1 What types of cards should I use for filler? Or is this enough? Thank you soooo much for your time and help, I greatly appreciate it. Any other cards/concepts I should stay away from?
3 months ago
So, Dragons cost a lot. They are very expensive. They also see a ton of removal if able. Because of this, in my experience, you want enough Dragons to sustain the brutal attacks that will be made against you. However, you also need a means to get them out onto the field.
You want to look for Dragons that act like Sorcery cards. That is to say, a Dragon that benefits you other then just being a 4/4 flyer.
Cards like Glorybringer and the new Demanding Dragon are beautiful examples. They force extra hurt for their cost. This means your resources aren't diminished for nothing. Even if your opponent kills the Dragon, you at least got something out of it for your effort.
Along with these, Scourge of Valkas is an amazing and brutal beast, especially when paired with Dragon Tempest. You need to pay attention to the wording because I've seen people miss this, myself included. EACH of your Dragons will be dealing X damage, where X is the TOTAL number of Dragons your control.
I've seen players think that since one Dragon entered, and they had three already out, then 4 total damage is being dealt. This is because ONE Dragon entered, and it deals damage equal to the number of Dragons you control. This is correct. But if you have two Dragons enter together, BOTH of those are going to be dealing X damage.
The Dragon that entered is the one dealing the damage, not Scourge and not Dragon Tempest. Be careful of that. It could win you a game without you realizing it.
Aside from those massive cannons, a really good Dragon is Utvara Hellkite, but it's a bit of a trap card. Only run 1 in a deck because it costs 8 to play and you won't benefit unless you have enough Dragons to make it worth while. Combo'd with Scourge / Tempest and you run a serious powerhouse.
As for protection, Destructor Dragon is great. As a 4/4 Flyer, in my experience, if an opponent does not have removal it acts as a deterrent similarly to Phyrexian Obliterator. That is to say, if they attack and they kill it, you punish them. Note that it does say noncreature, which a lot of people look at and think it sucks. But the real hidden power here is that by saying nonCREATURE, LANDS can be targeted instead.
Ryusei, the Falling Star also acts as a powerful deterrent. If they kill it, they can potentially wipe themselves out.
Another beautiful Dragon that'll piss off anyone is Dragon Broodmother. I'll get more into her in a moment.
But all of this means nothing if you can't get any of them into play. That's where the beauty of the Gruul Dragon decks comes in.
Gruul Dragons wants to, ultimately, do three things. Ramp, burn, and swing. But you only have so many cards to do it with? So how do you balance these?
Here's how: Dragons that act like Sorceries.
You're going to want a playset of the following:
Birds will give you access to either color immediately. GS will give you and if spent on a creature, that creature gains Haste. and DLS reduces costs by .
Now, here's the REALLY fun part! Generator Servant's mana can be spent on TWO different creatures! You can do and , and BOTH of them gain Haste! :D
If you have a GS out on the field and two in your hand with in mana you can use, you could literally sac GS, gain , tap , and pay out as and and sac those two immediately for .
Let me explain to you just how insanely fast this design can ramp. I do it all the time. Gruul Dragons is my favorite deck of all.
- T1: Forest, Birds
- T2: Mountain, GS
- T3: Land, tap all 3 lands, tap Birds, sac GS, play Savage Ventmaw, swing for 4, add , play Xenagos, the Reveler for , +1, add for Birds & Ventmaw, float the additional left over from Ventmaw's cost, cast something else like, say oh I don't know, Dragon Egg, target with Infernal Plunge, kill Egg, get a 2/2 Token, add , play something else.
Gruul Dragon's is an insanely complex combo ramp & burn deck that catches everyone off guard. But you need to balance what cards do with how they interact.
Glorybringer and Demanding Dragon are cards you'll only want 2x of each, with 1x of each in your sideboard so you can flex as needed. This'll protect you against things like Meddling Mage and, God forbid, Surgical Extraction.
Hellkite Charger nets you additional combat phases, which is sweet. A single Birds of Paradise + Savage Ventmaw = extra combat phase. There's other combos for INFINITE COMBAT PHASES, such as 2x Savage Ventmaws or even a Savage Ventmaw + Grand Warlord Radha. Don't use Radha, Heir to Keld as she must attack to get the mana and if she is blocked and killed, your combo ends.
Bleh. This is a lot. Wow.
So all of this mana and what can you spend it on??
You're up in the air. Just go over everything and hit for tons of damage, then replenish your resources with the mana you've acquired each turn.
You'll want to play hyper aggressively. Swing, even if you don't want to. Force your opponent to block. Clear their board because you'll always be able to rebuild yours. Explore, Explosive Vegetation, and Khalni Heart Expedition and what your filler cards will be. Things of those natures.
There's other tricks like how to get insane amounts of life, as well. But I think this is enough to set you off on the right path :)
Good luck! Seriously, Gruul Dragons is my #1 favorite deck of all time. <3
8 months ago
+Llanowar Elves +Elvish Mystic -Archwing Dragon +Fervor +Fires of Yavimaya -Cryptolith Rite -Destructor Dragon +Aggravated Assault +Beastmaster Ascension +Eternal Witness +Sakura-Tribe Elder +Lightning Greaves +Bloodsworn Steward +Terminate +Beast Within +Chaos Warp +Krosan Grip +Regrowth +Nature's Lore -Kodama's Reach/Cultivate (one or the other) +Deathreap Ritual
1 year ago
One of the best things I learned a long time ago is simply this: There are no wrong threats, only wrong answers. With that in mind, here are some additional thoughts on your deck.
Weaker Dragons to consider taking out. Keep in mind that this is based on my play style.
Hellkite Charger is a maybe. I like the extra combat phase, but it is dependant on being in play, attacking, and having 7 mana available. Not sure yet. Intet, the Dreamer has always been weak. You get to exile the top card of your library and hope that you can play it before the next Wrath of God or Path to Exile, after paying 3 mana to exile your own card. Spellbound Dragon might work in a deck built around draw-discard. But this deck isn't. You want the draw, but not the discard. Just doesn't seem to fit that well. Silumgar, the Drifting Death seems a bit on the weak side. But I could see him as a way to get rid of token armies. Not sure on this one either.
Now to take a look at the non-creature cards.
Ponder is a great card. In a 60 card deck with a full playset. In a Commander/EDH deck, not so much. Single use is a big drawback. I prefer repeatable effects in commander decks. Or consider Brainstorm instead. Dreamstone Hedron is nice. But as a 6 cast artifact that either adds 3 colorless or draws 3 cards I can't shake the feeling that it is a bit late to the party. Consider Hedron Archive. Same basic idea. It only adds 2 colorless or draws 2 cards. But it hit the field 2 turns earlier. That is 2 whole turns of having 2 more mana to help power out those Dragons. Relic of Progenitus is a great card in a lot of tournament decks. However, it also trashes your graveyard too. Depending on your Meta, maybe a simple Tormod's Crypt instead? Curse of Verbosity is a great way to pile on to the biggest threat player at the table. But you have no way to bounce it to change the target and once that play is out of the game, this becomes a dead card on the field. Also, you don't really want to give other players an option to draw cards. Darksteel Mutation is cute spot removal. But there are so many better options. Is spot removal really that important in your meta? If so, consider Swords to Plowshares, Anguished Unmaking, Unmake or even Curse of the Swine. All of which deal really well with any threat except a commander. You could use Declaration of Naught naming their Commander if you really want to get someone angry. Frontier Siege either adds 2 mana or causes your creatures to fight. I can think of so many better uses for that sleeve. More creatures. More mana ramp. More shenanigans. Monastery Siege first ability suffers the same problems that Mirror of the Forebears copies an existing creaturee in play. Not bad. I would put this in the maybe pile. Tough call on this one. I would keep it or cut it depending on what other choices get made. Lightning Greaves & Swiftfoot Boots are cards that I know you like and I do see their value. But to me there are so many better uses of those sleeves. These are probably the cards least likely to be swapped out of your deck, but I don't think that your deck really needs them. They don't protect from board wipe. You have other cards that give Dragons haste or you could even run Anger for the haste.
New dragons to consider:
Balefire Dragon and Deathbringer Regent are both Dragons and board wipes rolled into one sleeve. Destructor Dragon dies and takes another non-creature with it. Read that as destroy target planeswalker, artifact, enchantment or land. Dragonlord Atarka acts as a spot removal spell and a Dragon. Dragonlord Dromoka does a really good job of dealing with counterspells. Dragonlord Kolaghan gives your other creatures haste. Hoever, his second ability is kind of a waste in Commander. Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund needs no explanation. Keiga, the Tide Star gains control of an opponent creature until end of the game or you sacrifice it to the Altar. Kilnmouth Dragon we've already talked about. Nicol Bolas is a maybe. I know he is iconic and has a good ability, however, tying up 3 colored mana each turn isn't that great. Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind is a good card draw and ping engine. Jsut don't use the stupid Curiosity combo. That's so lame. Ruthless Deathfang works well with the Altar of Dementia and Scourge of Nel Toth. I sacrifice a creature, oh, and so should you. Scourge of Nel Toth not only comes back form the grave for cheap, but it also provides a sacrifice method for Jugan or Keiga. Scourge of the Throne is a great way to knock an opponent in the lead back down. Thunderbreak Regent punishes opponents for using spot removal. I would rather run this instead of the boots. This is a threat, the boots and greaves aren't. The equipment does protect against spot removal. Also watching an opponent getting a Lightning Bolt in the face for the effort of removing a Dragon is pretty funny.
Other cards to look at:
Eerie Interlude or Ghostway can do double duty of protecting your creatures and retrigger all of the enter-the-battlefield effects. If Scourge of Valkas or Warstorm Surge is on the field, then Eerie Interlude becomes a kill card. Shard Convergence helps make more mana available. Basilisk Collar gives lifelink and deathtouch. And putting deathtouch on Scourge of Kher Ridges provides another board wipe. Deathtouch on Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind adds another point of spot removal. Patriarch's Bidding has long been a staple of tribal decks. Thanks for that Wrath of God. I needed that. Now watch as I return all of my threats.
As always, temper these suggestions with your play style, collections, and budget. Let me know what you think.