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Creature — Dragon
When Destructor Dragon dies, destroy target noncreature permanent.
Destructor Dragon Discussion
2 weeks ago
@SP3CTR3_chelts: Hmm... That could be a good use of a Filler for now. Now for why I threw those things in there: Mox Amber is based upon real-life amber; Fossilized Tree Resin; some even include some kind of prehistoric creature w/ it's form still intact; though I completely understand why WotC wanted to do it this way; it is well cherished by those who collect jewelry. Also, Yes, I understand Nurturing Peatland is a Land, but the philosophy behind it just might work still: Peat is decayed plant matter; dead, but still friendly nevertheless. Regardless, it can even be used in a process that can take several thousand years or more to evolve to a stone-like mass (Given no fire occurs during that time.) after all this time. Both of these kinds of process' involves an idea of Evolution; a concept of PROGRESS; isn't the only one w/ that luxury. As for fliers, Birds of Paradise has actual Bird Wings, & can produce mana In a pinch. Also, Destructor Dragon hates anyone w/ even an Arrowhead. You think you can kill a dragon w/ this kind of weapon? All it's going to do is get pissed off, & kill you as the "Reach" User instead. Ironic, since this Dragon serves Dragonlord Atarka ; which is even MORE ironic as Temur in the Current Timeline has basically the exact same Watermark Base; but the most ironic part of all is that Omnath, Locus of the Roil IS now! I don't think I can put a number on that any further! DX
Moving on: How the heck can a card even exist for Manifest when Inverter of Truth just straight out exiles your library FACE-DOWN, & replaces it w/ a Graveyard this deck doesn't truly need (It is Exile Zone Dependent.). But, you might be on to something though; but how the heck can I even force a whole Exile Zone that's face-down, to Face up? I'm actually interested about these kinds of notions...
I guess what you're saying is that in recorded MTG Multiverse history, even when there was only nature & no city at all, The Ten Paruns of the Original Guildpact was the only root of such history? Honestly, I wonder if there are 10 before the Original Guildpact was even a thought yet. In case there is no such idea, Razia will be a part of the cEDH Boros Community Deck's name.
I was, uh, referring to the Feedback part; I, mean, my "Obsessive Moaning" brought this to fruition. Any idea on that?
Finally, don't worry, you're not missing out on anything at all now; the current saga ruined itself w/ a feature Beys had in place of a sleepout; which at least gave the benefit of the doubt; not so when your bey just separates into the very parts the bey was built upon in the first place. I miss the benefit of the doubt; & a protagonist w/ Left Spin; not a villain w/ Left Spin. It doesn't matter anyway; the show sucks now, & even TAKARA TOMY needs to have a letter written to them about how such a new feature ruined the franchise for life.
I'll shut it about Beyblade though. I think I said enough anyway...
1 month ago
Frank_Glascock I think Control_Train has a very very nice framework for us to build on. I like the whole toolbox aspect of the deck and always trying to find a solution to what we encounter.
Destructor Dragon I've cut today as well and put Massacre Wurm in a 6 for a 6 drop. Sounds about right. If I need an effect like the Dragon I'll probably go for Woodfall Primus because it destroys something on entering the battlefield.
The Silhana Wayfinder I've cut 2 weeks ago, super mediocre. And I run the same creatures as you do: Sheoldred, Kokusho and Mindslicer. All very very good creatures in my opinion.
Sylvan Wayfinder I ran from the start, protecting meren at the cost of one land is super fine in my opinion :)
The list of instants and sorceries and enchantments what you swapped I kinda understand. Even tho I do see the value of Casualties of War and Mausoleum Secrets but If I had a imperial seal I would probably run it over Mausoleum as well :)
I agree with you with dismember being the weakest spotremoval, that's why I've cut it as well. I might try out the Sylvan Library again as well. I got it in my binder.
Sol Ring I havent really missed and Lightning Greaves I havent seen yet since I've added it too the deck. I think it will do it's work like it normally does.
I understand the prowling serpopard :) I have the same, more and more people are playing control in our meta, so I might add him too the deck again. Or maybe even better, add a Cavern of Souls just so meren can't be countered. This way I dont have to use another spot in my deck. And meren can get everything that's being countered back from the grave I guess...
1 month ago
Ripwater, thanks for the reply. I always look forward with much anticipation to your input.
Everytime I try to move away from Control_Train's list I end up putting back in his card's that I cut.
Silhana Wayfinder is subpar. We have discussed my view that Destructor Dragon is overcosted. I agree with your theory that Massacre Girl would threaten Meren so I am hesitant to play her. I like having Kukusho and Sheoldred to help close out games. Am I wrong that Control_Train's list lacks any closers?
He has played Mindslicer in the past. The theory behind this card's inclusion is solid. We should be able to play top deck much better than our opponents by utilizing the graveyard. It is a nice inclusion for our Birthing Pod chain. How has it performed for you?
Is Sylvan Safekeeper a recent addition? I thought for sure you were not playing this card as of last week.
Pattern of Rebirth , Dismember , Mausoleum Secrets , Casualties of War , and Final Parting were replaced by Birthing Pod , Sylvan Library , Survival of the Fittest a Imperial Seal and Guardian Project in my list.
I only have reservations concerning Casulties of War. The three tutors (or tutor engines) I am playing have proven to be superior to his across all formats. Sylvan Library is a green staple, and is an extremely strong early turn play. You made a convincing argument in defense of Guardian Project. Dismember seems like the weakest of the removal spells.
I cut Sol Ring but it was like pulling teeth and may make way back into the deck. I tutor for Sylvan Safekeeper frequently and the deck tutors creatures easier than artifacts. Still, Lightning Greaves should be in my list. Safekeeper is the superior card in my opinion but this deck has to have Meren on board. Has Lightning Greaves been effective for you?
As a side note, it does not seem Control_Train reinserts cards he cuts. I wish I could say the same. I put Prowling Serpopard back into the deck. Chalk it up to an irrational fear of blue countermagic. No attempts at justification will be made for its inclusion.
1 month ago
Frank_Glascock I think those are some proper swaps :) Like I said before Garruk, Apex Predator is somewhat of a pet card thats why I run it. Destructor Dragon you should reconsider cause it can destroy lands, Vindictive Lich is something I want to try out and see if it works.
I don't think Pitiless Plunderer is worth the spot. My list runs 10+ tutors, most of the time the first card I go for is Sakura-Tribe Elder . The same reason I don't want to run Awakening Zone I literally don't need the mana. The only thing that would make me pick Awakening Zone over Pitiless Plunderer is the fact that it makes creatures and thus more synergy with Meren.
Victimize I'm currently trying out since it's a back up for meren if I can't keep her on the field. I have many ways of getting stuff in my grave. A simple Victimize can get a Sheoldred back on the table....in Theory...
Krav was a bit of a hard cut. It was a card I actually had quite some time on the table and often he did not performed that much tbh... I think he shines more in a token deck than he does in meren. Cause if you play him mostly for the sac outlet then I think Birthing Pod is better. Talking about birthing Pod, it won me the game last wednesday cause I was able to get all my pieces out of my deck :)
I'm now trying to find a spot for Massacre Wurm . I have it in my binder and was playing (same wednesday) against Krenko and found out that I have ways to deal with krenko, but not with all the tokes he makes :)
1 month ago
Ripwater, I checked the deck. I am playing Sol Ring , Pitiless Plunderer , Fauna Shaman and Sylvan Safekeeper in place of Destructor Dragon , Garruk, Apex Predator , Vindictive Lich , and Necrotic Ooze . I guess I am most surprised you or Control_Train is not playing Sylvan Safekeeper. I can't see that ever getting cut.
2 months ago
I agree with Frank_Glascock that Prowling Serpopard is not really pulling it's weight. I play in a control heavy meta and I rarely tutor for it. So that one goes out for Mindslicer . In my opinion as well Mindslicer is a ruthless card and much better against control then the more passive Prowling Serpopard
The other one that I've cut is Necrotic Ooze again, rarely pulled it's weight and often he turned into a sakura tribe elder... Not what I want to do for 4 mana. Chosen to add another copy of Plaguecrafter in the form of Merciless Executioner . My playgroup is really after removing plaguecrafter from the game ASAP. So another copy of it will make sure I can do my thing a bit more.
I don't agree with you, Frank_Glascock, on Destructor Dragon . At first I was a bit sceptic as well, but it is recurable removal that goes after anything that is not a creature. At first I thought why not Woodfall Primus , but 8 experience is just harder to get back than the 6. Especially since my playgroup loves to keep meren off the table...
Sol Ring I rarely have the feeling that I miss it.
Agent of Erebos is amazing in any Meren deck. Almost any deck plays some way of recursion and he is an all-star at keeping graveyards empty. I often dump him early game in my Survival of the Fittest to get him out of my graveyard later on.
Final Parting is a really decent tutor in this deck, cause it basically let's you get 2 creatures at the cost of 2.5 mana per creature. Wich is a bit more than a Demonic Tutor , but the fact that it's 2 tutors on 1 slot, I think is pretty amazing.
Control_Train, I have a hard time agreeing with all your cut's for WAR. New Lilly and Bontu are amazing for our decks! But I don't think Massacre Girl will perform that well. With the amount of Meren removal I'm experiencing, I'm quite reluctant in playing here and probably wiping my own meren off the battlefield.
Guardian Project seems like a wrong idea to take out. It draws soooo much cards and at a 4 mana investment I'm quite happy with it.
Casualties of War is amazing and it went directly into the deck.
Other cards that I would like to discuss with the both of you are: Garruk, Apex Predator Old face smasher has been in my deck for quite some time now. And especially with WAR out he performs really well. His mana cost is most of the time not really the problem and if our deck performs well by the time he hits there won't be much creatures to deal with him.
Kokusho, the Evening Star quite soon I found out that playing meren makes me a target. And when you are a target your life goes down. Kokusho fills this gap and get's me my life back. The fact that he is a flyer (next to the dragon, we play zero flyers) is quite nice as well. He really was the card I was missing in this deck and won me the game already a few times.
Sheoldred, Whispering One Often people already spent most of their removal when she hits the table and that means they have trouble dealing with her. She is an absolute all-star and if not dealt with most of the time results in a win.
Would love to get your imput as well!
2 months ago
Has Prowling Serpopard pulled it's weight? I would think that countering Meren's creatures would not be a viable long term strategy as you can get them back with Meren.
How has Savra, Queen of the Golgari performed?
Final Parting seems overcosted for the effect. Has it been clearly a viable card at that cost?
2 months ago
My concerns with the current list are:
1) Your avg cmc being pretty high. Some of the more expensive land destruction like Helldozer , Star of Extinction , Destructor Dragon ... and more dont seem worth the costs.
2) How do you capitalize on no lands being around? You dont have a ton of artifact ramp, or ways to cheat creatures in. Planewalker to victory would be sweet but there are only two and of them only Sorin can get there on an empty board.
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