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When Destructor Dragon dies, destroy target noncreature permanent.
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Destructor Dragon Discussion
3 months ago
One of the best things I learned a long time ago is simply this: There are no wrong threats, only wrong answers. With that in mind, here are some additional thoughts on your deck.
Weaker Dragons to consider taking out. Keep in mind that this is based on my play style.
Hellkite Charger is a maybe. I like the extra combat phase, but it is dependant on being in play, attacking, and having 7 mana available. Not sure yet. Intet, the Dreamer has always been weak. You get to exile the top card of your library and hope that you can play it before the next Wrath of God or Path to Exile, after paying 3 mana to exile your own card. Spellbound Dragon might work in a deck built around draw-discard. But this deck isn't. You want the draw, but not the discard. Just doesn't seem to fit that well. Silumgar, the Drifting Death seems a bit on the weak side. But I could see him as a way to get rid of token armies. Not sure on this one either.
Now to take a look at the non-creature cards.
Ponder is a great card. In a 60 card deck with a full playset. In a Commander/EDH deck, not so much. Single use is a big drawback. I prefer repeatable effects in commander decks. Or consider Brainstorm instead. Dreamstone Hedron is nice. But as a 6 cast artifact that either adds 3 colorless or draws 3 cards I can't shake the feeling that it is a bit late to the party. Consider Hedron Archive. Same basic idea. It only adds 2 colorless or draws 2 cards. But it hit the field 2 turns earlier. That is 2 whole turns of having 2 more mana to help power out those Dragons. Relic of Progenitus is a great card in a lot of tournament decks. However, it also trashes your graveyard too. Depending on your Meta, maybe a simple Tormod's Crypt instead? Curse of Verbosity is a great way to pile on to the biggest threat player at the table. But you have no way to bounce it to change the target and once that play is out of the game, this becomes a dead card on the field. Also, you don't really want to give other players an option to draw cards. Darksteel Mutation is cute spot removal. But there are so many better options. Is spot removal really that important in your meta? If so, consider Swords to Plowshares, Anguished Unmaking, Unmake or even Curse of the Swine. All of which deal really well with any threat except a commander. You could use Declaration of Naught naming their Commander if you really want to get someone angry. Frontier Siege either adds 2 mana or causes your creatures to fight. I can think of so many better uses for that sleeve. More creatures. More mana ramp. More shenanigans. Monastery Siege first ability suffers the same problems that Mirror of the Forebears copies an existing creaturee in play. Not bad. I would put this in the maybe pile. Tough call on this one. I would keep it or cut it depending on what other choices get made. Lightning Greaves & Swiftfoot Boots are cards that I know you like and I do see their value. But to me there are so many better uses of those sleeves. These are probably the cards least likely to be swapped out of your deck, but I don't think that your deck really needs them. They don't protect from board wipe. You have other cards that give Dragons haste or you could even run Anger for the haste.
New dragons to consider:
Balefire Dragon and Deathbringer Regent are both Dragons and board wipes rolled into one sleeve. Destructor Dragon dies and takes another non-creature with it. Read that as destroy target planeswalker, artifact, enchantment or land. Dragonlord Atarka acts as a spot removal spell and a Dragon. Dragonlord Dromoka does a really good job of dealing with counterspells. Dragonlord Kolaghan gives your other creatures haste. Hoever, his second ability is kind of a waste in Commander. Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund needs no explanation. Keiga, the Tide Star gains control of an opponent creature until end of the game or you sacrifice it to the Altar. Kilnmouth Dragon we've already talked about. Nicol Bolas is a maybe. I know he is iconic and has a good ability, however, tying up 3 colored mana each turn isn't that great. Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind is a good card draw and ping engine. Jsut don't use the stupid Curiosity combo. That's so lame. Ruthless Deathfang works well with the Altar of Dementia and Scourge of Nel Toth. I sacrifice a creature, oh, and so should you. Scourge of Nel Toth not only comes back form the grave for cheap, but it also provides a sacrifice method for Jugan or Keiga. Scourge of the Throne is a great way to knock an opponent in the lead back down. Thunderbreak Regent punishes opponents for using spot removal. I would rather run this instead of the boots. This is a threat, the boots and greaves aren't. The equipment does protect against spot removal. Also watching an opponent getting a Lightning Bolt in the face for the effort of removing a Dragon is pretty funny.
Other cards to look at:
Eerie Interlude or Ghostway can do double duty of protecting your creatures and retrigger all of the enter-the-battlefield effects. If Scourge of Valkas or Warstorm Surge is on the field, then Eerie Interlude becomes a kill card. Shard Convergence helps make more mana available. Basilisk Collar gives lifelink and deathtouch. And putting deathtouch on Scourge of Kher Ridges provides another board wipe. Deathtouch on Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind adds another point of spot removal. Patriarch's Bidding has long been a staple of tribal decks. Thanks for that Wrath of God. I needed that. Now watch as I return all of my threats.
As always, temper these suggestions with your play style, collections, and budget. Let me know what you think.
4 months ago
Ok ok so, i have a commander deck with Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund as the commander. The deck itself has functioned pretty well up until recently, i have been getting completely rekt early game. Do keep in mind i have not been playing long and do not have a great understanding of cards or of a good build, in fact this is the first deck i have ever built. All i really need help with is early game because dinos have been destroying me as of late. The deck is built as follows:i have no clue what im doing dragons
4 months ago
Hey there! Cool Dragon deck you have here! I have some comments for you:
- First of all, your mana base looks a little low on lands. I would recommend going up to around 24 lands or so. Also, if you have the money, I would recommend investing in some dual-lands that enter the battlefield untapped sometimes, like Rootbound Crag, Cinder Glade, or Karplusan Forest. This isn't necessary by any means, though, so feel free to just add a couple basics and move on with your life :)
- As I mentioned earlier, I would recommend cutting most of your 1-ofs. I would recommend picking 1-3 really powerful dragons, and running 2-3 copies of each, rather than 1-2 copies of 9 different dragons. Here are the ones I would cut: Archwing Dragon, Destructor Dragon, Harbinger of the Hunt, Hunted Dragon, Lightning Shrieker, and Siege Dragon.
- I would instead run 2 Atarka, World Render, 3 Foe-Razer Regent, and 3 Savage Ventmaw.
- Thunderbreak Regent is an amazing card here. 4 mana for a 4/4 flying dragon with upside is fantastic.
- Elvish Mystic is probably better ramp than Voyaging Satyr, so I would replace the 4 Satyrs with 3 Mystics. If you really want the access to red mana, and you decide to go with Cinder Glades as your additional nonbasics, Arbor Elf is also an option (Cinder Glade is technically a Forest).
- Overgrowth is also probably better than Greenweaver Druid, because the Druid is so fragile. A 1/1 will die to any removal spell, while an enchantment will just sit around on your land making you mana.
- While this may not be easy to understand, Crucible of Fire doesn't really do much. If you have three or four dragons being pumped by it, you're probably winning already. This is what we call a "win-more" card, and you can read more about why they're not great for your deck here if you'd like.
- Dragon Tempest, on the other hand, is really good here. It should be your primary source of removal, so I'd replace the three Bathe in Dragonfires with Dragon Tempests, flavorful though they may be.
- Guild Feud and Ulvenwald Tracker also don't do a lot. Sure, the Tracker is good removal, but you have better removal. Guild Feud lets you get dragons out, but you can already get dragons out for 6 mana. I'd cut both of them.
If you make all of these changes, your deck might look a little something like this: Sarkhan's Dragons 2.0. I'll be sure to leave it up for at least a couple weeks if you'd like.
I'm a huge fan of green/red ramp-style decks, so it's always fun for me to see a new Dragon player out there :)
In any case, good luck!
4 months ago
Hey looking for some feed back on this deck, it's a budget deck and relatively fun to play but what are some good cards to add as I don't have a side board yet.
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker (Planeswalker, Mythic Rare)1 Atarka, World Render (Rare)1 Archwing Dragon (Rare)1 Crucible of Fire (Rare)1 Dragon Tempest (Rare)1 Foe-Razer Regent (Rare)3 Frontier Siege (Rare)1 Guild Feud (Rare)1 Ulvenwald Tracker (Rare)2 Setessan Tactics (Rare)1 Hunted Dragon (Rare)1 Siege Dragon (Rare)1 Harbinger of the Hunt (Rare)
5 months ago
Cascading Cataracts / Crystal Quarry / Sylvan Ranger / Rampant Growth / Bloom Tender / Birds of Paradise / Sylvan Caryatid / Utopia Tree / Reflecting Pool / Oblivion Ring / Gruul Signet / Golgari Signet / Simic Signet / Selesnya Signet / Bringer of the Red Dawn / Bringer of the Blue Dawn / Bringer of the Black Dawn / Unclaimed Territory / Cavern of Souls / Keiga, the Tide Star / Breath of Darigaaz / Nissa's Pilgrimage / Explosive Vegetation / Molten Disaster / Subterranean Tremors / Ash Barrens / Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse / Sudden Demise / Fault Line / Beast Within / Dragonlord Dromoka / Sylvan Reclamation / Wear / Tear / Grand Coliseum / City of Brass / Mana Confluence / Fellwar Stone / Solemn Simulacrum / Farhaven Elf / Wood Elves / Heartless Summoning / Urza's Incubator / Sensei's Divining Top / Cyclonic Rift / Reclamation Sage / Urban Evolution / Nature's Lore / Eternal Witness / Skyshroud Claim / Chaos Warp / Manglehorn / Vizier of the Menagerie / Relic of Progenitus / Chromatic Sphere / Chromatic Star / Terrarion / Llanowar Wastes / Shivan Reef / Yavimaya Coast / Karplusan Forest / Sulfurous Springs / Battlefield Forge / Brushland / Caves of Koilos / Night's Whisper / Reanimate / Anguished Unmaking / Swords to Plowshares / Path to Exile / Flame Slash / Vindicate / Sarkhan's Triumph / Preordain / Ponder / Brainstorm / Anticipate / Weathered Wayfarer / Safewright Quest / Temple Garden / Breeding Pool / Overgrown Tomb / Stomping Ground / Mirari's Wake / Nature's Claim / Fatal Push / Thunder Dragon / Scourge of Kher Ridges / Skyline Despot / Siege Dragon / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund / Foe-Razer Regent / Eternal Dragon / Dragonlord Atarka / Balefire Dragon / Vorosh, the Hunter / Swift Warkite / Scourge of the Throne / Runehorn Hellkite / Rith, the Awakener / Prossh, Skyraider of Kher / Numot, the Devastator / Noxious Dragon / Mordant Dragon / Harmonize / Ancient Craving / Ambition's Cost / Dragonlord Silumgar / Dragonlord Kolaghan / Destructor Dragon / Darigaaz, the Igniter / Surrak Dragonclaw / Stormbreath Dragon / Sarkhan Unbroken / Necromaster Dragon / Icefall Regent / Hunted Dragon / Glorybringer / Fearsome Awakening / Dragonlord Ojutai / Boltwing Marauder / Thunderbreak Regent / Territorial Hellkite / Skyship Stalker / Dragonloft Idol / Dragon Throne of Tarkir / Dragonsoul Knight / Dragonmaster Outcast / Slumbering Dragon / Omen / Serum Visions / Read the Bones
7 months ago
Torrent Elemental is not a legal card with Surrak as the commander. Both colors of the hybrid mana in either the casting cost or ability activation cost must exist in the commander's color identity. So, for example, you could play Giant Solifuge in this deck (not that I would, but it is legal to do so) but it would be illegal to play Nightveil Specter.
Frost walker and Cyclone sire are more 60-card format cards.
Torrent elemental is illegal.
Gruul turf and Izzet boilerworks seem good, but they're really just strip mine/wasteland bait.
Gruul charm is bad. Be greener and invest in trample.
Nissa's Renewal is late game ramp. That's bad. Early game ramp is better.
Burn is bad in EDH.
I would suggest (these are all just good cards for your consideration, I know there are probably more than I suggested taking out):
For a 3 color deck, the landbase would also be improved by taking out basics and putting in things like:
Ideally, for a landbase you'd have shock lands such as Steam Vents, fetch lands such as Scalding Tarn, and regular dual lands such as Volcanic Island, but those things are expensive and this is a game.
7 months ago
If this is the case then the answer is no!
To cite the Comprehensive rules:
700.4. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.”
Seeing as Destructor Dragon goes straight from the library to the graveyard, according to the rules, it did not die.
7 months ago
BUT: If Scion of the Ur-Dragon is you commander and you put it into the command zone instead of the graveyard, the ability will NOT trigger, because it didn't die.
And because it kinda sounds like you read Destructor Dragon as an enter-the-battlefield ability: If you make Scion of the Ur-Dragon into a copy of dragon with an etb ability (eg Bogardan Hellkite), this ability will not trigger, because the Ur-Dragon never changed zones.