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Elvish Mystic, Nylea's Presence, & Weird Harvest —July 9, 2015

Trying out a 1 and 1 split of Elvish Mystic and Nylea's Presence instead of 2x Nylea's Presnce. It is awesome as a filler; but I really wanted to get to 25 Elves and you are never really mad to get an Elvish Mystic (really smooths things out to have another 1-drop elf).

I'm also trying out a 1-of Weird Harvest. It was used in past Elf Combo decks and a very bright mind on MTG Salvations (Irmo) has used it with success as well. I wish I could just play another few copies of Genesis Wave; but maybe Weird Harvest can work just as well in many situations!

"Yeah...Genesis Wave is probably the most powerful green non-permanent spell every printed. In a deck like this (that creates TONS of mana but all of the cards are low-CMC AND there are numerous infinite combos) you really can't get much better of a "card advantage spell" than Wave. Even at X=4 it is unreal."

Sorry, I just have to give my two cents on Gen wave here. It's powerful, yes, but the most powerful green non permanent ever printed? I'm not convinced. For instance, I think that Green Sun's Zenith deserves some consideration; what it lacks in throwing down lots of permanents, it makes up for in selection; you can ramp turn 1 with dryad arbor, then it shuffles back in to fetch a kitchen finks against burn or a Melira against infect a bit later. It can get what you need, when you need it. There's a reason it's banned in modern. :P

However, my top pick for a green instant or sorcery in terms of power level is a card I play in my legacy board: Time Walk. Oh, wait, I mean: Seedtime. So that control deck just tapped out to counter your threat? No problem! Use that last two mana to Time Walk. Then, while they're tapped out, untap and play a whole host of new threats. Or just combo off, cause really, who cares. You just used time walk. In green. Those are my picks.

Sorry for being off topic.

July 4, 2015 1:50 a.m.

Green Suns Zenith is not Modern Legal. Sorry...I only play Modern; so I pretty much frame every comment with Modern Goggles on :). I should have led with that.

July 4, 2015 3:07 a.m.

Haha! I had never seen Seedtime! Poor blue players :). Makes me want to get into legacy...although I have played Legacy elves: and I don't think I could play anything else...but it would go in my board whether it should or not just to see the face of the opponent!

July 4, 2015 3:11 a.m.

Scorprix says... #4

Gilt-Leaf Palace?

Or are you afraid of topdecking one while you have no elves in hand?

July 4, 2015 3:08 p.m.

CricketYT says... #5

sure youve heard it before, but why the lack of Collected Company? that card could be killer.

July 4, 2015 3:36 p.m.

CricketYT says... #6

oh, and Beck can be your glimpse since youre in blue.

July 4, 2015 3:37 p.m.

Hey Scorprix! I'm currently testing one. The deck needs a good amount of "Forest"'s because of Arbor Elf...so Overgrown Tomb is better than Gilt-Leaf Palace in many situations. I want to take as little hurt from my lands as possible, however; so you are right that most likely Gilt-Leaf Palace needs to be in there at least as a 1-of.

CricketYT....you are right that Beck acts like Glimpse at certain points...the extra blue mana makes SUCH a huge difference though...having said this, I have been playing a different style of Combo Elves deck that runs 4x Beck and 4x Summoner's Pact (that much more closely resembles Extended Elves decks of the past...it's super fast and consistent....the only issue is that it is not very resilient...if the Heritage Druid is killed or they counter the Pact, or even worse if they have a board wipe you pretty much just have to scoop. I'm still testing it though ;as if there is a way to make it work and be even just a tiny bit more resilient it will be a Tier deck (remember how good Elves was in extended? And now we have more peices to get closer!)

One tough part about using Shaman of the Pack and in my cast Coiling Oracle is that you can only make infinite Green mana; so you need ways of making sure you get your Blue and Black mana when you need it. That's another nice part about the land enchantments...with Cloudstone Curio you can essentially move them around to turn every land into whatever color you want. I've begun testing a 1-of Nylea's Presence today as well to see if it is a good fit (as it also allows Arbor Elf to untap Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx.

The biggest issue I'm running into now is actually a funny one. There are too many good pieces to use! I HAVE to cut somethihng and I don't want to cut anything :)

July 4, 2015 4:14 p.m. Edited.

On the topic of Collected Company...it is an AMAZING card. But it is also kind of a "build around me" card that forces you to begin adding in cards like Ezuri, Archdruid....I'm not sure (a) that you can do much better with Collected Company than CoCo Elves decks already do and (b) that Colleced Company is the best choice in Combo Elf decks...it's certainly worth testing.

Another issue is that with Genesis Wave you want as few non-permanent's as possible. I could see someone simply replacing the Waves with CoCo's; but I feel like you get more out of Wave in this version. I will see if I can find a way to get it in the deck at minimum for testing so I can be absolutely certain though.

July 4, 2015 4:18 p.m.

Hey All! I've been testing quite a bit (dozens and dozens of games today) trying out a few different takes on the deck...

An interesting note...I just tried a deck with the following:

-3 Coiling Oracle -2 Garruk Wildspeaker

+2 Sylvan Messenger+2 Nylea's Presence+1 Temur Sabertooth

It's been really good. I can't say that it is better than the version with Oracle and Garruk (as Garruk is really strong in the deck); but it does allow me to also run Kessig Wolf Run (which has been REALLY strong).

Nylea's Presence was added for a few reasons. I didn't want to drastically reduce the "card draw" aspect of the deck (Coiling Oracle goes a long way to this) and I like the idea of Arbor Elf being able to untap Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx for huge waves (takes some of the sting away from not having Garruk Wildspeaker). Sylvan Messenger is a HUGE amount of card advantage and has led to crazy "strings" of elves.

I will find out which version works best and update the deck accordingly.

July 4, 2015 8:38 p.m.

XTechNinjaX says... #11

Just an idea but have you considered Essence Warden? She fits the elf tribal, makes for a great turn 1 that people will want to answer, and if she goes unanswered would sustain you a ton early and add a potential endless life combo as well.

July 4, 2015 9:01 p.m.

Thank you so much XTechNinjaX!

I have tried Essence Warden and you are right that she is awesome!!!

I actually would be running her in the sideboard if it wasn't for all of the -1/-1 spells and enchantments (Night of Souls' Betrayal, Zealous Conscripts, Golgari Charm, Pyroclasm, and many more)...this is the only reason I ended up going with Leyline of Vitality. There are certainly meta's where Essence Warden would be a great choice even for main. Good idea!

Btw...thank you for the +1!

July 4, 2015 9:25 p.m.

17hagenn says... #13

Have you considered adding Summoner's Pact?
It'd definitely be useful in obtaining one of your missing combo pieces, and because you can win the same turn that you combo off, you wouldn't have to worry about paying the cost next turn. There probably isn't room for a playset, but even one or two of them could boost the consistency and efficiency of any one of your combos.

Great build +1 :)

July 6, 2015 2 p.m.

Lord0fHam says... #14

How about Eyeblight Massacre in the sideboard?

July 6, 2015 7:19 p.m.

GreenHorn says... #15

Would aether vial be good for this deck? That way you could flash in elves

July 7, 2015 1:37 p.m.

thuzra says... #16

Well, this has my trademark Nylea's Presence, so I have to like it... But it also looks like a solid, crazy, awesome combo deck! I approve these shenanigans! You have my +1 for sure.

July 8, 2015 6:40 p.m.

Wonderful.Goryo's Vengeance.Otherwise. Respect sir.

July 8, 2015 6:45 p.m.

Thanks for the kind words! I will be addressing specific suggestions right after I'm done testing tonight.

I'm also trying out a 1-2 of Elvish Archdruid in testing tonight...not real sure it fits in this style deck (may just be too slow); but I figured I should at least give it a try.

July 8, 2015 7:13 p.m.