Into the Roil

Instant

Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)

Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. If Into the Roil was kicked, draw a card.

Discussion (49)

Grubbernaut on Mono-Boo-hoo

2 months ago

I like Vapor Snag a lot for low-curve delver decks like this. I'd also definitely sub out Deprive for Counterspell. You'll almost never kick Into the Roil in a low-land-count deck, so it's worth the switch.

Also: regarding your description, just wanted to point out that Test of Talents cannot, in fact, counter an un-counterable spell.

I also think Pteramander is better than Serpent, especially if you swap to Consider over Opt once it's released and legal.

I also like a few cards for actual advantage, like Chart a Course or even Hieroglyphic Illumination. You could also consider Disrupting Shoal as a budget "force."

Another good consideration is Spellstutter Sprite.

Cheers!

Grubbernaut on Impending Horrors

3 months ago

I like the idea; I'd consider subbing out Quench for Censor and/or some Jwari Disruption  ^Flip. I also like Frantic Inventory , and more importantly with Mystic Sanctuary , Tragic Lesson is an absolute house. I also think that without looting effects, 4x Mission Briefing is a little much; honestly, card advantage is probably more important than recursion, as you're not looking to max out big spells so much as play a lot of them. If you mainboard some mass-bounce, it could be worth it to run a couple Briefing, but I think things like Behold the Multiverse , Chart a Course , etc could be more helpful overall.

I also think 3x Spell Pierce seems high - Negate or maybe Neutralize could be better. Curious Homunculus  ^Flip also benefits more with extra spells with colorless in their cost.

Also: since Anticipate doesn't trigger Chasm Skulker , it may be worth swapping for Deliberate or one of the other mentioned draw spells.

I also think with the full playset of Sanctuary, 4x Castle Vantress is too much as they don't add to island count; I think going down to just one or maybe two would be better, especially since by the time you'd be using them for value, you're generally either already winning or already losing.

I think Unsubstantiate is decent, but especially if you swap the other soft counters for hard ones, it may be worth changing out for Into the Roil to have a spell on four that clears the way for Skulker and adds to your draw count.

Finally, another card to consider (probably over Homunculus) is Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip. Especially with lots of draw spells, you're likely to flip it early, and it both adds to draw count for Skulker and once flipped won't be bounced - though it would be better in a build with Frantic Inventory or other graveyard synergies to get it going ASAP. I think this swap is more of a tossup compared to the stuff suggested above, though.

I want mono U to work in pioneer, so I love this. Cheers!

lagotripha on Where did my deck go?

3 months ago

This is a nice list.

I'd look at manlands and lands that become creatures, and disruption cards that have bounce options.

A second line is to mutate oracle to hand then mutate again. Into the Roil and the like achieves this, and also lets you run bounce spells as disruption, so that you aren't just durdling while you look for oracle. This won't just make it more competitive, but more interactive and therefore more fun to play against.

YetiritterTom on That's All (Mer)Folks!

4 months ago

I'd suggest cutting some of the mana rocks like Commander's Sphere and Sky Diamond to make room for the green ramp cards, just because they're more vulnerable to board wipes.

I'm personally not a fan of cantrips in commander, so maybe switch out cards like Adventurous Impulse , Charge Through and Strategic Planning for some of the draw spells with bigger impact like Military Intelligence or Tatyova, Benthic Druid .

Another thing I don't really like in EDH are bounce spells. I'd suggest switching out Into the Roil or Galestrike etc. for the permanent removal I suggested.

Cheers!

DanMcSharp on Fractals

5 months ago

Hello,

It's refreshing to see new players coming up with their own deck ideas instead of just copying the top meta decks. Welcome to the game btw!

I haven't seen many people play dedicated "fractal" decks so far, but something that I've seen people make work was using Body of Research to make a huge body and then win with Fling or Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip. It seems pretty close to the way you try to play the deck anyway seeing how you like to have Solve the Equation in your opening hands. A combo deck like that wouldn't really need as many tribal interaction and focus mostly on getting the right cards out asap while just staying alive, so cards that give better card selections Omen of the Sea , bounce spells Into the Roil and counterspells Saw It Coming could be more helpful.

If you prefer to play the tribal aspect where you try to win with creatures and superior board state, you shouldn't really need to rush to a specific card like you do when using Solve the Equation . Instead you should try to get the most out of you creatures. The Great Henge seems like a great fit in this case since you will have large bodies for the discount, and your creatures will get more +1/+1 counters for your existing synergies. I'm not sure what Confounding Conundrum is there for, it's usually a side-board card, or a card built around things like Field of Ruin to trigger it or in Yorion, Sky Nomad to bounce it, but another 2 drop you could consider would be Guardian Gladewalker since it gives a +1/+1 counter and it also counts as a fractal for Biomathematician .

I find that The Ozolith is a very nice fit for the deck, but drawing multiple is hardly ever going to help you, so you could easily cut 1 and only play 3. Also, going up to 23(or more) lands certainly wouldn't hurt. You could make it a Mountain if you want to go the combo route to supplement your Ketria Triome for the red splash so that any Fabled Passage can be a red source.

Btw, you seem to think that The Ozolith would cover you if Body of Research gets "countered", but if that happens the creature won't ever exist, so there will be no counters for The Ozolith to pick-up. If it resolves and then the creature gets destroy or remove from play by any means, then yes it would work.

Hopefully these suggestions are useful,

Good luck!

Mechanon on Simic Land Counters

6 months ago

Cool deck idea! I'd suggest bumping up Into the Roil and Inscription of Abundance to 4 each, since it's your only removal cards, plus Inscription is so versatile. Cards like Oran-Rief Ooze , Gnarlid Colony , and Wildwood Scourge are all good, even if you can't spend the extra mana on them. Dragonsguard elite doesn't seem quite as useful, but I haven't looked too much into the Strixhaven cards yet. Body of Research seems like a beast of a card but it might be difficult to play unless you change up your mana ratio. I haven't used some of the other cards so it's hard to give my opinion on them.

BrassLord on A CLAWsome SHELLebration of Crab

7 months ago

@ Grind Thank you! Mystical Tutor makes a whole lot of sense, not sure how I missed that. It even is another tutor for Twisted Image , which can be a kind of wincon in some situations. A lot of this deck was made from cards I had laying in binders not using. Same thing with Sapphire Medallion . I'd like to playtest it, only hitch I can see is that our Crabbo needs mana for activated abilities as well as equip costs, but I agree on that awesome upside. I'm not married to Into the Roil either. The first draft of the deck had way more cantrip cards, slowly phased out for more consistency. I was also thinking of Mirrormade or Copy Enchantment , the utility of doubling down on the powerful artifacts seems like it'd be good, so I may swap it for that!

libraryjoy on

9 months ago

Ok, so a couple of ideas when it comes to cutting. Here's the criteria I generally use:

1. What cards do I already have? Keep those.

2. What cards are super expensive that I don't own? Cut those unless absolutely needed for the deck to function.

3. What cards am I likely to use in other builds? Something like Arcane Signet has better long-term value in a commander collection than Talisman of Creativity.

4. What cards best advance my gameplan? Is my plan to damage my opponents with drawing cards? Is it to create tokens while casting instants and sorceries? While it's fine to have a back-up plan, consider reducing or eliminating cards that do not advance your main plan.

5. What situations am I weak to? Be sure to have cards to help you with that. In this case, your deck may be prone to drawing itself out, so make sure you have plenty of cards that increase your hand size.

That said, my top picks for removal are (if you don't own them): Into the Roil, Unleash Fury, Gitaxian Probe, Ponder, Serum Visions. Those spells are great in faster formats like Modern, etc., but would only be good in a very fast competitive commander environment. Mine is more casual, but your mileage may vary. I'd probably drop Izzet Cluestone and Izzet Keyrune unless they're cards you have or are budget-friendly alternatives for things like Talisman of Creativity. Good luck!