Into the Roil

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Pre-release Legal
Standard Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Into the Roil

Instant

Kicker [symbol:1 (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)

Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. If Into the Roil was kicked, draw a card.

Gidgetimer on Is mana spent on additional …

1 week ago

Yes, you are still paying the treasure mana into casting Into the Roil. For the purposes of mana spent to cast the spell, what was paid into the total cost is looked at. Whether it was an additional cost, alternative cost, or the mana cost when doing the calculation to determine total cost is not important.

Yesterday on Is mana spent on additional …

1 week ago

I control a Vazi, Keen Negotiator. My opponent controls an Omniscience and casts Into the Roil without paying its mana cost, kicked by sacrificing two Treasures and paying that mana only on the kicked cost.

Does Vazi's ability trigger?

DarthSeatb3lt on Barrin, Master Wizard

3 weeks ago

The synergy with Induced Amnesia is fantastic!

I like the idea of the deck - seems very unique and fun. A couple suggestions you could consider: it looks like you're dabbling in the wizard synergy but you could go a bit deeper for even more synergy with cards like Cyclone Summoner, Docent of Perfection  Flip, Minn, Wily Illusionist,Patron Wizard, Trophy Mage,Tribute Mage, Trinket Mage, Jace's Archivist and Azami, Lady of Scrolls

I think the above additions would help you keep the theme of your deck while offering more synergies all around. If you take this approach, you could also look to include Stonybrook Banneret as a budget medallion.

fetch your token fodder generators with: Trophy Mage,Tribute Mage, Trinket Mage create more fodder with: Docent of Perfection  Flip, Minn, Wily Illusionist

and bounce more with: Cyclone Summoner Stern Proctor & Equilibrium

The rest are just decent control/draw.

Additionally, in keeping with the bounce theme you may want to consider Into the Roil, Blink of an Eye, Disperse, and maybe even Capsize or Snap the former three will let you bounce your own targets for more ETBs/protection and in a pinch they can bounce those pesky enchantments blue has so much trouble dealing with.

For counterspells, the lower the mana cost, the better the counter. there are some great budget options if you find you've always got a handful of cards for free counters (Misdirection Disrupting Shoal) but one of the classics that isn't too pricey isArcane Denial but I'm quickly growing to loveAn Offer You Can't Refuse and Swan Song

For removal, the bounce theme is always great but for those pesky indestructible creatures I auto-include Resculpt in every blue deck I make.

Overall your deck looks like a ton of fun to play already, just adding in my thoughts.

multimedia on Spellweaver: The Deck

6 months ago

Hey, you're welcome, thanks for all the upvotes at my decks. Well done with changes so far, but you still didn't add Tower, haha. Good job trimming the creatures and nice Guardianship :)

If you're playing casually, not trying to win the game quickly then in my opinion more lands is better than less lands. Missing a land drop when you're expecting the game to go long is not something you want to have to worry about. Ramp sources are the sorcery speed cards you want to cast more than others since they help you to have mana to cast instants on your opponents turns. Sorcery speed ramp sources with Spellslinger are more important than using that same mana to cast a creature. When instant ramp is available it can replace a creature since then you're ramping at instant speed instead of sorcery speed.

Solemn Simulacrum is a fine card for most decks, but Unexpected Windfall is better ramp/draw with Spellslinger simply because it's an instant that also draws cards right away. Pteramander isn't doing anything until much later in the game, if ever. It would be better if Pteramander was another two drop mana rock such as Fellwar Stone. There's lots of four drops here and Crackling Drake is the least good of them simply because it's just a flying beater who you don't really need. Replacing Crackling with another instant that gives you some card selection and a card such as Impulse would do more.

You've added Young Pyromancer which is good especially for blockers because the tokens are created by you casting instants not creatures. Saheeli, Sublime Artificer is another blocker creator and the tokens she creates are artifacts which has excellent interaction with Galazeth Prismari.


Interacting with opponents by casting a spell or spells during their turns is what Spellslinger is all about. Instant draw are the cards that keep you engaged on each players turn with cards in hand to potentially interact at instant speed with an opponent. If you think a creature is filler such as Academy Drake and Skyclave Sentinel, instead of playing them play more instant draw spells such as Brainstorm and Thrill of Possibility.

Burn spells such as Flame Spill that have only one target, a creature, are much less impactful in Commander because you have multiple opponents who are going to have many different kinds of permanents, not just creatures. Versatility is important to have with instants if you're strategy is to interact with your opponent on their turns. Chaos Warp is an example of an instant speed removal spell that is an upgrade for Flame Spill because Warp removes (tucks) any permanent you target. Into the Roil is another example of a versatile removal spell.

In my last comment I mentioned to streamline the creatures and you can do the same thing with instants. Flame Spill is an example of an instant that's not needed because you have other burn spells that are better such as Lightning Bolt and Lightning Strike because they can target any target not just a creature. Draw spells don't really need to be streamlined since they draw cards which theoretically helps you to draw into more impactful cards, they trigger Niv and chaining draw spells also gives you a big advantage with magecraft.


I haven't played Veyran, Voice of Duality as Commander yet, only as a card in the 99, but Spellslinger would be much different with her as Commander. Sorceries are just as important as instants with Veyran because you want to pump her on your turn to attack. Lethal Commander damage is possible and should be a strategy for winning with Veyran, but you can only get to enough power with Veyran to do lethal Commander damage by casting instants and sorceries on your turn, not on opponent turns. One drops spells that draw a card while giving Veyran evasion such as Shadow Rift, Leap, Crash Through, Slip Through Space and Expedite are good for Spellslinger with Veyran as Commander, but these same cards are not needed with Spellslinger when Niv is Commander.

You technically need less lands and ramp with Veyran as Commander than Niv because she's less mana to cast and low CMC instants/sorceries are priority cards to play to pump her. With Veyran you would also want less creatures and unlike Niv she's only a three drop who can be cast much earlier in the game. Birgi, God of Storytelling  Flip, Storm-Kiln Artist, Dualcaster Mage, Young Pyromancer are the kind of creatures you want with Veyran as Commander. Once you get her on the battlefield you want to spend your mana on spells that interact with her or protect her. Since she can be cast early then it doesn't leave many turns to worry about casting other creatures.

Grubbernaut on Mono-Boo-hoo

9 months ago

I like Vapor Snag a lot for low-curve delver decks like this. I'd also definitely sub out Deprive for Counterspell. You'll almost never kick Into the Roil in a low-land-count deck, so it's worth the switch.

Also: regarding your description, just wanted to point out that Test of Talents cannot, in fact, counter an un-counterable spell.

I also think Pteramander is better than Serpent, especially if you swap to Consider over Opt once it's released and legal.

I also like a few cards for actual advantage, like Chart a Course or even Hieroglyphic Illumination. You could also consider Disrupting Shoal as a budget "force."

Another good consideration is Spellstutter Sprite.

Cheers!

Grubbernaut on Impending Horrors

10 months ago

I like the idea; I'd consider subbing out Quench for Censor and/or some Jwari Disruption  Flip. I also like Frantic Inventory , and more importantly with Mystic Sanctuary , Tragic Lesson is an absolute house. I also think that without looting effects, 4x Mission Briefing is a little much; honestly, card advantage is probably more important than recursion, as you're not looking to max out big spells so much as play a lot of them. If you mainboard some mass-bounce, it could be worth it to run a couple Briefing, but I think things like Behold the Multiverse , Chart a Course , etc could be more helpful overall.

I also think 3x Spell Pierce seems high - Negate or maybe Neutralize could be better. Curious Homunculus  Flip also benefits more with extra spells with colorless in their cost.

Also: since Anticipate doesn't trigger Chasm Skulker , it may be worth swapping for Deliberate or one of the other mentioned draw spells.

I also think with the full playset of Sanctuary, 4x Castle Vantress is too much as they don't add to island count; I think going down to just one or maybe two would be better, especially since by the time you'd be using them for value, you're generally either already winning or already losing.

I think Unsubstantiate is decent, but especially if you swap the other soft counters for hard ones, it may be worth changing out for Into the Roil to have a spell on four that clears the way for Skulker and adds to your draw count.

Finally, another card to consider (probably over Homunculus) is Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip. Especially with lots of draw spells, you're likely to flip it early, and it both adds to draw count for Skulker and once flipped won't be bounced - though it would be better in a build with Frantic Inventory or other graveyard synergies to get it going ASAP. I think this swap is more of a tossup compared to the stuff suggested above, though.

I want mono U to work in pioneer, so I love this. Cheers!

lagotripha on Where did my deck go?

10 months ago

This is a nice list.

I'd look at manlands and lands that become creatures, and disruption cards that have bounce options.

A second line is to mutate oracle to hand then mutate again. Into the Roil and the like achieves this, and also lets you run bounce spells as disruption, so that you aren't just durdling while you look for oracle. This won't just make it more competitive, but more interactive and therefore more fun to play against.

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