If I can them to discard 1 copy of whatever I want to get rid of, then Extirpate pretty much does the same thing as Slaughter Games , but for only 1 black.

Ik the exitirpate and surgical extraction combos but if their not main deck why? I think those be more valid than funeral charm honestly. And slaughter games is a pure i know it in there and i havent discarded it yet so lets get rid of it

Deck ripping is my take on the discard removal deck while having a high pace tempo with my creatures if you like any ideas

I have it in the side because against a decent number of decks it's a dead card and I'd rather pull something from their hand. Funeral Charm is great because it's instant speed discard, which is extremely useful when your opponent is top decking. Slaughter Games is nice, no doubt. But for this deck, 4 mana is a bit too much to ask, so I decided to go with Extirpate .

I have an 8Rack spin you can check out called Leave Empty Handed. I like Nezumi Shortfang , Delirium Skeins and Infernal Tutor . Note that Nezumi Shortfang can use its ability at instant speed to force your opponent to discard their draw like Funeral Charm .

+1 for 8Rack!

I'm not really sure about Infernal Tutor in this deck, because I don't have anything I'd want to take out for it. I have considered Delirium Skeins , and it will probably go into the sideboard for match ups against Leyline of Sanctity . As for Nezumi Shortfang , that's a card I hadn't looked at previously. Its definitely interesting and I'll play around with it. Thanks!

This looks really good. I see you've got Extirpate on the side. Have you thought about Surgical Extraction as another way to disrupt combo decks early?

I built a Rat tribal deck that uses a shell very similar to this. This is a fun way to play, it really smashes focused decks.

+1

I actually did put a lot of thought into the Surgical Extraction vs Extirpate decision. I ultimately decided on Extirpate because it can't be countered and it can't be responded to with something like Snapcaster Mage . Ultimately, I decided the casting cost flexibility that Surgical Extraction provides just wasn't relevant enough in a deck like this where I'm likely to be top decking and not likely to play more than 1 spell on most turns.

Fair point. I really like the extra speed of Extraction, especially in the opening turns. It probably works better in a deck where you want to be topdecking ASAP, like hellbent or madness. I run both in my deck, but with the emphasis on Extraction.

I see you have mentioned topdecking later into a game. Have you considered something such as Dream Salvage to help fight against it?

Actually, the goal of the deck IS to be top decking. That keeps us safe with Ensnaring Bridge , and allows us to use cards like Rix Maadi and Lili most effectively. Dream Salvage would be a really awkward card, as I'd either have to play a targeted discard spell right before it (which I can't do when I'm top decking)), or else I'd end up discarding to Lili or Rix Maadi before I could even use it.

Oh true I missed the Ensnaring Bridge! And yeah it did sound like a slightly awkward card to begin with.

How has Waste Not been working for u?

I've ran Dream Salvage in 8Rack, at best it's a cantrip, kinda sucks and is a dead draw late game.

I actually don't have the Waste Not s yet, and I haven't brought this deck to an event in a couple weeks, so I can't really tell you let.

I definitely think Dream Salvage is a bad fit. Just too awkward.

Young Pyromancer

It's not 8 rack, but The Rack makes an appearance.

+1 for RB build

Young Pyro really doesn't fit in here. Waste Not gives me pretty much everything he would, and more.

You should reconsider Dream Salvage with Burning Inquiry

Dream Salvage is just an awkward fit. I am still in the process of playing around with Burning Inquiry . I'm just not sure if I want to fully commit to Waste Not , or leave the deck slanted more towards 8Rack.

kmcree congrats for the deck, very consistent! apparently our concept of what is a ideal 8rack deck is pretty close!!

i get that your goal here is to be top decking and be protected by Ensnaring Bridge .but have you ever consideredDark Confidant ? Ensnaring Bridge becomes useless with him on the deck, but you can be alot more agressive and finish the game much sooner!
i also run Desecration Demon on my 8rack, its very effective : )

one more thing: I really recommend you get rid of 3 more Swamp and use 2 Mutavault and 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth . i think this dont need an explanation XD. you just have to go back to 8 Swamp when in need to put that Blood Moon on the main deck, in any other situation the Mutavault is very useful and can be pretty annoying to your opponent to deal with!

if you want you can check out my deck isn't too soon for you to be top decking ? it's very similar to yours, but that Dark Confidant VS Ensnaring Bridge make the gameplay very different!

i'll be very glad if you give me your opinion : )

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of Bob in 8Rack. I think the Ensnaring Bridge route is much stronger. Bob is just too easy to remove, he drains your life total, and frankly, you really don't need to draw extra cards if you play the deck right.

I also don't really like Mutavault because colorless mana really hurts me. I need for almost every card, and having a starting hand with something like Mutavault , Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace , and 5 non-lands would be terrible, whereas if you swap the Mutavault for just a Swamp is a great hand. One of the advantages of 8Rack is being able to have a consistent land base without fetches, so I don't really want to mess with that too much.

I have considered throwing a creature or 2 in to use as beaters/finishers, probably in the sideboard. Although it would probably be something like Dread Slag . Desecration Demon is just not all that interesting in Modern.

I realy get your point on the Ensnaring Bridge choise, I guess is a question of preference since bob has been working great for me : )he also helps to solve this problem with colorless mana that you mentioned.by the way, this colorless mana problem is why I run a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth also the bob helps you to draw it ! and sincerely i have never lost a game because of mana problems.

and i actually was playing with Dread Slag before start to run bob ( i think is obvious why i removed him after that)! and i discover that Desecration Demon is a lot better in a 8rack ...think about this, he is not a threat on modern since your opponent have something in his hand else ... and if,by turn 4, he actually have something (usefull) in his hand, you're doing something wrong XD. Desecration Demon have less initial power than Dread Slag but he have the creature removal bonus that is just awsome... imagine, if a opponent is with a annoying creature on the battleground and you just dont draw that Terminate or have a Ensnaring Bridge on the table ... he is already recieving damage from The Rack or/and Shrieking Affliction he will obviously sacrifice that creature instead of tacking more 6 flying damage, and if he take the damage ...well ... its 6 damage for god sake : )

there is another point Desecration Demon has fly! much harder to be blocked XD

but in the end remains a question of opinion

both compositions are very solid and strong