So this is a little something fun I cooked up! One of my friends asked why I just didn't make a Green/White Life gain that flowed around Thragtusk, Conjurer's Closet & Rhox Faithmender so I figured why not!
...and of course Ajani, Caller of the Pride! CATS!!!!!!!!
Now with all the Return to Ravnica cards out I couldn't not add to this!
I will go into greater detail on this deck later...
This is still a work in progress... Suggestions are ALWAYS welcome! :D
Like me know if you think some maybe's will work or not... Side board help is always appreciated as well.
So I have seen a lot of decks with this idea floating around... I guess great minds think alike! :P
Only thing I am missing is the shock land :' (
I will get my hands on some soon!
I usually run at most 22-23 lands just so I have a better spell draw rate. However I think you may be onto something! Thanks for the suggestion!
August 15, 2012 1:24 p.m.
Yeah, I just figured the majority of your creatures you aren't going to be attacking with. That's not until later in the game. You may do some chump blocking but Caravan Vigil is only a sorcery. So in this situation it's almost always just a 1 mana land fetch. The only other suggestion is to find a way to bring in a creature that is actually threatening/gives you board control or something other than Thragtusk . I was thinking you could consider Blade Splicer but I realized you're going post rotation so I am unsure. Good luck though.
August 15, 2012 6:39 p.m.
Blade Splicer Would be amazing here! However yes I am trying to go post rotation. Thanks for all the ideas!
August 15, 2012 6:51 p.m.
Only playtested a little, but there are some great synergies here! Really fun!
August 16, 2012 11:45 a.m.
Hey, really like the deck and the concept, +1 for sure, just had a few "at first glance" critiques for you. I'm not trying to morph your deck here into something else, just some earnest suggestions :D
I think with a bit of tweaking, this deck could be structured in such a way that it could win with a traditional GW human aggro game plan, but if it NEEDS to stall, you have the ability to buy time/gain life and then wreck them with something huge. Here's a few general observations and the exact changes I would make at the end;
1) Serra Avatar is begging to be in here as a plan B win con, assuming you still want to run Rancor . She is amazing with Ajani too since he gives the much needed evasion to make her good. No more than 2 of, just a plan B, and the deck really lacks a hard hitting finisher besides the cat swarm. 3-4 of Thragtusk with the same logic as Serra Avatar REALLY likes Ajani and Rancor as well - it gives him the ability to stall the game and then become an extreme threat, instead of just a staller.
2) Here's where the deck sort of wants to go in two directions - strength in numbers vs the hit extremely hard with a few threats strategy. Rancor does not lend itself to the strength in numbers strategy at all - so personally I'd see Ajani's cat swarm as a plan B as well. Again, I think the deck can IDEALLY do both actually. Hit both hard and with many, depending on what is needed.
3) This deck already has some latent tribal synergy here, not because you're trying to be a humans deck, just because the ideal candidates for what your deck wants to do happen to be humans. I think it's a crime you're not running 4x Mayor of Avabruck Flip - He is an extremely viable threat coming down on T2, and if you don't need to apply early pressure, he will clog the board for you, single handedly. And he buffs your other humans to boot.
Exact changes? I think only 2-3 cards really warrant changing, the rest looks good and is up to playtesting and you to be the judge; Divine Favor , cut it completely. You could easily add another Cathedral Sanctifier in it's place, for almost the same thing.Crusader of Odric - not enough bang for the buck, compared to Mayor of Avabruck Flip . After a cat swarm? Like, for the same 3, I don't see why you would rather play her over Lambholt.
card:Conjurer's Closet - At best I humbly think it should be a 3 of. I know it's one of the cornerstone pieces you wanted to build the deck around in the first place, but a 4 of is something you proactively wish to draw at any point in the game. You simply can't afford to play it if you don't already have things worth blinking already in play. At the very least, 4 Thrags and 3 Closets instead of the other way around perhaps.
Again sorry for the wall, good job with the deck and let's keep looking for ways to improve/let the testing begin~
August 16, 2012 12:12 p.m.
Why thank you my fine feathered friend!
August 16, 2012 12:12 p.m.
Wow! I am liking the idea of adding Mayor of Avabruck Flip a lot actually. The only thing I see that could potentially mess anything up is if he flips taking away the counters... on the other hand I do get another creature on the field at the end of each turn :D
At first I wanted run Serra Avatar in here however I felt that I would be taking away a spot for one of my Thragtusk s. All in all great ideas! I will begin working on adding some of these fun features in!
August 16, 2012 12:22 p.m.
August 16, 2012 12:30 p.m.
Glad you like the Mayor suggestion, I just think he's too good to not play in here, and personally I want to buy them in bulk. I really predict he's the new Blade Splicer post rotation. They do almost the exact same thing, Mayor just interacts with your deck so well, and is a better fit since he's only 2 mana in a deck running a fairly clunky top heavy mana curve (12x 4 or 5 drops). It gives you an elegant early play that will be both threat and/or staller.
The ONLY negative interaction I see with him being in the deck is that he is a creature that gains you nothing for being flickered, where as opposed to Splicer she gains tons of value being flickered. But in all logical fairness, I don't see a full deck list of creatures where everything and literally everything in the list is value-blinkable unless we're playing Bant colors (I'm sure you've seen those Venser lists).
August 16, 2012 1:06 p.m.
I didn't think that the counters for humans stayed if Mayor of Avabruck Flip flipped. If they do then some could argue that the wolf counters that Howlpack Alpha Flip Flip would also trigger the moment Mayor of Avabruck Flip comes into play. giving let's say Young Wolf +1/+1 on turn 2.
Am I thinking correctly?
August 16, 2012 2:33 p.m.
Blade Splicer would be amazing in here. Alas I do kinda wanna keep this in post rotation. I think I have enough creatures in the deck that are good to blink tho. Cathedral Sanctifier & Rhox Faithmender for extra life, Elvish Visionary for draw power and of course Thragtusk for life and creature count! All of them adding to Champion of Lambholt ability when they blink! I think adding Mayor of Avabruck Flip is a good choice to help so that my creatures can't fall victim to a chump block! :D
August 16, 2012 2:43 p.m.
@Darth/BigGuns question - If I'm reading you correctly you're asking since Mayor of Avabruck Flip and flipped Howlpack Alpha Flip Flip are the same card, does he apply both sides' anthem effect? No, he does not apply +1/1 counters, he applies a static +1/1 anthem/buff effect to Humans when he is a Human, or he applies the buff to Wolves/Werewolves when in Werewolf form. It is a passive ability.
August 16, 2012 3:23 p.m.
That's what I had thought! Sometimes I get shocked by some of the rulings. Thank you for setting me on the right path! :D
August 16, 2012 7:21 p.m.
Actually I'm mainly just happy to see Champion of Lambholt and Rhox Faithmender being put to good use, I played against a rhox at draft the other day and my opponent gained an absurd amount of life off that guy.
August 17, 2012 1:46 a.m.
and maybe test a few Silverblade Paladin , I love the smell of double-strike and lifelink in the morning...
August 17, 2012 1:48 a.m.
That's the plan! I was thinking about the lifelink/double-strike combo however I only have 1 creature with lifelink Rhox Faithmender . Perhaps if I add a few Moment of Heroism that'll help for a good WTF?!
haha! Thanks for ideas!
August 17, 2012 12:45 p.m.
I honestly wouldn't toy with the deck too much. It somewhat consistantly plants a Rhox, Thragtusk, and Closet. I'd consider more blinking abilities maybe? Restoration Angel is great for dodging those pesky Murder -y cards. Plus adds an extra blink. Then to boot you have a hefty flier.
Just a thought =3
Could you look at my deck Podless Naya possibly? I need as much input as possible for tonight thanks!
August 17, 2012 3:05 p.m.
And totally checked and commented on yours pal! Good Luck
August 17, 2012 3:22 p.m.
Yeah and Silverblade Paladin with a massive Champion of Lambholt would really ruin someone's day. I got a paladin to resolve and bonded him with a 9/9 Champion of the Parish and suffice to say my opponent lost :D
August 18, 2012 2:25 a.m.
August 18, 2012 11:50 p.m.
:D No worries haha!
Fungal Sprouting on the side board... I like the way you think! Thanks!
August 18, 2012 11:54 p.m.
HTML fail. Hahaha.
Parallel Lives would make a really dinky combo to... Idk how much your willing to change with this here.
August 19, 2012 12:05 a.m.
I don't know if I'd be able to sacrifice one of my other 4 drops. Don't get me wrong Parallel Lives is amazing! Just yeah... I will keep the suggestion in mind tho!
August 19, 2012 12:18 a.m.
Hey i'm still fairly new to this so not sure what people are meaning by post-rotation but it may mean my suggestions aren't valid but here goes =)
Ageless Entity + Rancor your getting double life with everything once your Rhox Faithmender is out and someone earlier in the comments was saying you don't have a big finisher. Could be an idea if it is valid.
The other suggestion requires more of a juggle around in your deck. I run a card called Prototype Portal in my artifact deck and part of that deck is cloning Elixir of Immortality so for 3 mana a turn i gain 5 life. That combined with my first suggestion is going to give you a huge amount of life and an ridiculously overpowered entity but would require you to boost how many Elixir of Immortality s you have.
Hope at least one of those suggestions is valid for whatever post-rotation means
+1 from me =)
August 19, 2012 10:37 a.m.
Thanks for the suggestions and the +1! I am still pretty new to MtG as well so no worries! Post rotation just means that I am trying to keep the deck in a Standard play format So I am only trying to use the M13, Avacyn Restored, Dark Ascension, Innistrad and Return to Ravnica when it drops in October.
That Ageless Entity ... I didn't know about this card. Reminds me of a better version of card:Ajani's Pridemate!
August 19, 2012 12:02 p.m.
I like your deck really well because it gives me advice for my life gain deck ;) , laybe you should add felidar sovereign to win the game?
August 23, 2012 3:57 p.m.
Thanks! Played a tournament yesterday and ended one of the rounds with 500+ life! Quite intense and LONG! haha!
I have a Felidar Sovereign but I don't like to use him too much, that way I can keep this deck standard. I do use him for casual play tho :D
August 23, 2012 4:06 p.m.
Oh ok, just thought give some advice, ,ageless entity is awesome , had him once 37/37 but couldnt attack or i had to remove 37 permanents, did win the game at the end ;
August 23, 2012 4:10 p.m.
You maybe wanna check out my deck and get some ideas from it? ;)
August 23, 2012 4:11 p.m.
Again not sure if it is legal for what you are wanting to do but card:Cathars' Crusade is a great combo with your Champion of Lambholt and your card:Conjurer's Closet.
August 23, 2012 7:53 p.m.
I had thought about card:Cathars' Crusade but I don't think that this deck is meant for it though. I have it running in a soldier token deck that I have and it works great there :D