April 2016: Shadows over Innistrad
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Posted on Oct. 31, 2015, 6:42 p.m. by JWiley129
Announced during GP Indy, the Spring 2016 set is Shadows over Innistrad!
Edits for FAQ:
- Here is Mark Rosewater on why we're getting two returns in a row.
If we're talking Modern then Cranial Archive let's you shuffle your Yard back into your Library.
March 26, 2016 9:29 a.m.
Learn from the Past but that'd require splashing Blue.
March 26, 2016 10:14 a.m.
Primal Command, Psychic Spiral, any of the original eldrazi titans.
March 26, 2016 10:40 a.m.
Fairly certain we were thinking about standard, guys.
March 26, 2016 10:45 a.m.
This is one of my favorite card arts from this set. Its just so silly. The zombie is like "I'm innocent, I swear :(" and the human is like "Yeah, sure you are". I swear that zombie looks like he is about to cry.
March 26, 2016 1:54 p.m.
And it isnt a bad effect. Will see play in Blue's Clues.
March 26, 2016 3:39 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #10
For people wanting to shuffle their graveyard, Feldon's Cane has you covered. Although Elixir of Immortality also helps against aggressive decks.
March 26, 2016 5:25 p.m.
Inverter of Truth is a Standard card that can keep you from milling out, though it's a bit tougher to time.
March 26, 2016 11:01 p.m.
Wait, you've been testing Vampire madness? I'd love to talk to you about it and compare lists.
I currently have a BR vampire madness slightly slated toward aggro that i'm branching off into two separate decks: Hyper aggro with cards like Pale rider of trostad, Alms of the Vein, etc., and a more midrange one with the value madness cards like Murderous compulsion etc.
If you want to talk, lmk!
March 26, 2016 11:53 p.m.
Hey guys. The Blue Investigate deck we've dubbed "Blue's Clues" will likely run Red for Ghirapur AEther Grid and early interaction (maybe some thoptermakers too?). Anyway, what is UR investigate gonna be called? I'm voting Blue's Fiery Clues (maybe angry clues instead? idk if that's "red" enough tho).
March 26, 2016 11:57 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #14
Yep though I'm just playing the most streamlined list i can right now. Came out similar to what channel fireball is running thus far.
March 26, 2016 11:58 p.m.
kk sure. Btw are the personal messages still screwed up for anyone else? the first person on my list works just fine but after that it compresses and gets all broken and stuff
March 27, 2016 12:02 a.m.
UR Artifact burn might be a pretty good deck. UB/UW/WB flyers might be good too tho. There's like 4 or 5 2/1 flyers for 2 now I think.
March 27, 2016 4:53 a.m.
Yep, I'm making Slippery Mist in standard. And Jund Delirium.
Disappointed by the lack of Upheaval or Circular Logic, but then again, nobody else likes oppressive cards like I do :/ Why does Upheaval have to be banned in EDH?
I might also have to try some grindy U/G and U/R decks.
March 27, 2016 12:23 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #18
I'm determined to get a playable The Gitrog Monster deck going in Standard. Does anyone have any builds that I could take a look at? If not, what colors do you see best?
I like either Sultai for Baby Jace and TITI, or Jund with efficient removal and recursion.
March 27, 2016 12:33 p.m.
Those builds sound right. I am surprised by how well 3 color mana bases work out. I thought they would be much more fringe.
March 27, 2016 12:39 p.m.
Anything with drownyard temple and Groundskeeper should be great. I'd try sultai or Jund
March 27, 2016 1:40 p.m.
AgentGreen says... #22
I guess the question now is if I wanted to go for a control build, do I stick with U/B (Maybe U/B Zombie control) or drop blue and go with B/W control
March 27, 2016 1:45 p.m.
Go W/B. White has all the removal barring Ruinous Path in silkwrap, stasis snare, anguished unmaking, and declaration in stone.
March 27, 2016 1:57 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #24
I put together a Sultai list and it was really clunky. Even with TITI and Baby Jace, it didn't seem to run well. I've been toying with a Jund list which I really like (which is weird, since I haven't not played blue in years).
I considered that Kroto, but you're already sacrificing lands to the Gitrog and you're somewhat limited with your recursion options. Groundskeeper is easily killed, so Drownyard Temple is the best option.
March 27, 2016 1:57 p.m.
What do you all think the best deck post rotation will be? Frankly I think B/R vamps is overrated and bant company will remain as the top deck.
March 27, 2016 2:02 p.m.
Well getting Drownyard Temple back end of turn would give <> in response to the trigger upkeep so that's managable i guess. Still a pretty high cost per turn at 2.
March 27, 2016 2:05 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #28
It's not entirely ideal, but you're able to play an extra land each turn and you draw a card for 
.
March 27, 2016 2:38 p.m.
Also, I think shenanigans w/ Jace in U/X or U/xx will be viabl
March 27, 2016 5:01 p.m.
Also, I think shenanigans w/ Jace in U/X or U/xx will be viable
March 27, 2016 5:01 p.m.
You know, I'm a green mage and like it, but blue is one of my two second favorite colors. Blue simply not having the best card draw spell in ANY standard feels kind of weird. I understand there is inherent card advantage with the many various jaces, but you also get that sort of value from nearly any color.
March 27, 2016 5:48 p.m.
Pieces of the Puzzle digs 5 cards deep, but you have to reveal everything so it's very meh. The other cards are all strictly worse so you can't rely on having good carddraw in blue. From Origins the most playable carddraw is probably Anticipate and the carddraw in blue from BFZ and OGW are just bad.
March 27, 2016 6:10 p.m.
You have Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, and Pore Over the Pages... and to an extent even Oath of Jace. What more do you need? Let Green have their Oath of Nissa and the like.
And as a RB Player, I'm happy with my Tormenting Voice and the occasional Magmatic Insight
March 27, 2016 6:12 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #38
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip is great. Pore Over the Pages and Oath of Jace really aren't that good. Blue needs instant-speed draw spells. Jace's Ingenuity was great. Dig Through Time was great. Epiphany at the Drownyard and Catalog are my favorites from SoI.
March 27, 2016 6:53 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #39
I don't get why people say Catalog is good. Divination is the same thing except a sorcery. Artificer's Epiphany is the exact same thing except that there is a way to bypass the discard a card effect. Can someone shed a bit of light?
March 27, 2016 7:10 p.m.
Ragon_Wolfbane says... #40
PistonGolem it is instant speed. Anything that is instant speed already has an advantage over Sorcerys. Also decks could use the graveyard so drawing two and discarding a card may even be even better.
March 27, 2016 7:26 p.m.
Ragon_Wolfbane says... #41
PistonGolem Also it leaves up mana for reaction spells such as counters. Drawing on your turn without mana up for counters on your enemies turn is very dangerous for a control deck.
March 27, 2016 7:29 p.m.
Hallo Fan-Gemeinde! Ich hoffe meine Frage passt hier rein, schlielich geht es ja um das neue set. Was sagt eure Erfahrung, werden die Kartenpreise nach dem Release im Vergleich zu den momentanen Vorverkaufspreisen eher fallen, steigen oder konstant bleiben? Macht das also Sinn jetzt schon zu investieren oder wartet man den release ab?
March 28, 2016 9 a.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #47
I think it's the best to come out since old Innistrad. So much flavor and so much utility.
March 28, 2016 9:57 a.m.
When you flash something back with Goblin Dark-Dwellers (like say Traverse the Ulvenwald) does it count itself when it checks for delirium?
March 28, 2016 10:19 a.m. Edited.
elpokitolama says... #50
Nope, as it is in the stack and not in the graveyard.
Kroto says... #1
I just noticed Ojutai + Haunted Cloak might be pretty legit.
March 26, 2016 9:10 a.m.