I believe that talismans/signets is more personal preference than anything.

I prefer to have a rock that I can tap for mana immediately rather than have to have a mana open after casting the rock to be able to activate.

In essence, turn 2 being able to cast a Talisman of Dominance and hold up dispel. That type of thing.

Also, what about Yisan for Paradox engine? Seems pretty good if you have a reliable draw source like Regal Force.

Force, fill hand, cast and Yisan as you go.

For Yisan i just thought ,by the time you get your set up out for engine, you could just be setting up a yisan win anyways and in yisan specifically i didnt think it was needed...felt like a win more card, in that deck, to me but i can be wrong.

I mean untap engines are valuable. It's no Intruder Alarm but....

Outside of an infinite mana combo that requires colored mana, talismans are almost strictly better in my opinion. The tempo loss of signets is pretty terrible, whereas with talismans you can ramp on turn 2 and still interact or tutor at your opponents end step to facilitate a turn 3 victory. While some decks require both, I view signets as necessary evils rather than something I am ever happy to see.

NarejED As a person who has piloted Azami almost exclusively for the past 2 years I'm not sure if Paradox Engine will make the cut in my cEDH Azami. It needs to replace a big combo piece in the deck, something like Mind Over Matter. MoM is practically guaranteed to win you the game whereas Paradox Engine can be much more situation dependent. Just my thoughts on the card.

Oh my god. I saw the Paradox Engine comment (with the pic), and immediately thought, "Cool, someone designed their own Masterpiece card." Seriously, Wizards...WTF

Keep in mind paradox engine can be dramatic reversal #2 if you put a counter on the stick. Simply cast anything and then target it with the counter, then counter the counter forever.

Ive tested it a handful of games in a dramatic scepter Thrasios build since it was spoiled and paradox engine feels really great. It makes Isochron Scepter a significantly better standalone card for dramatic scepter decks. You can slap any legal instant you would like onto it and as soon as paradox engine resolves, it becomes difficult to lose. Imagine infinite Silence, infinite Mana Drain, infinite Brainstorm...First game with it I goldfished a turn 3 victory with Jace's Archivist...second game turn 4. Considering these were somewhat jumbled hands with plenty of fast mana, but no clear path to victory, it is safe to say this card will be a staple in many decks.

@AzamiLadyofScrolls: You're right. Paradox Engine is not quite Mind Over Matter, but it's pretty close. With 2+ wizards (counting Azami) and or more available from rocks, you're all but guaranteed to go off with it. You can dig, cast a relevant cheap card, dig some more, find more artifact mana and Wizards, dig some more, and suddenly you have 200 mana floating and your entire deck in hand. Plus Engine costs 1 less, and doesn't have the same insane color requirements as MoM, making it a somewhat unfair comparison. As a finisher/combo piece, I'd actually rate it higher than a few of the other finishers run in Azami like Mind's Desire. I'm sure room can be found.

NarejED I can definitely agree with that. My point was simply that Paradox Engine requires the correct Azami build and might not necessarily be an "auto include" in every list. Upon further review of my own list I believe this card could be an excellent replacement to MoM in my particular build (Transmute Artifact just got even better).

The biggest winner may be Kaho, Minamo Historian. He now can form several 2 card combo piles with engine to end the game. He may jump 2 tiers off one card. Or I could just be reading things wrong and hes still terrible

a little enthusiastic there. I can see a 1 tier jump but I don't think it can do enough to keep up. I could be wrong. Alone, hes pretty bad.

I truly could care less about Kaho. I feel like super compact two card combos (1 of which is your commander) and the other is a permanent type that mono blue has several ways to tutor for and several ways to protect are fairly decent. Essentially you play mono blue control with a combo finish. Its worse than azami, but azami requires more pieces to win with this engine.

I play Kaho, Minamo Historian, If any one wants a very casual and low budget deck I built for my brother here it is. Just for fun.http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blue-berries-plaincharon-and-long-term-plans-1/

Mono blue control is a tier 3 strategy on its own. The reason Kaho is tier 4 is that he offers no advantage over other mono blue generals. Now he appears to offer an obvious advantage. Every cheap instant blue cantrip in your library can potentially draw your deck. Maybe thats a one tier jump. Either way he gets a boon

Not saying hese great but a fun card

Well as I feared I misread the card. The spell goes to the yard after kaho casts it so she has no combo potential :-( Back to the scrap heap

While he has a huge vulnerability, I think that Dralnu, Lich Lord could very much benefit from Paradox Engine.

Hey sorry everyone for not being more active since a couple weeks! My school session ended not so long ago, and now I was in family reunions for Christmas and everything... I am getting back to MTG now, I have a lot of comments to read, stuff to edit and things to do, but thinkgs will be done! I will start by moving Selvala up to tier two, cause that is the forst thing I saw my name tagged on, and I will move on to read everything else and update!

Also, thanks for the 300 upvotes, I am really happy that this list can be useful for you guyz!! As a 'reward', if I can express myself like this, I will go and try to update all the decklists we have listed here, so we will miss no commander from tier 1 and 2, and I guess I could try to find some of the tier 3 ones, the greater ones, if that is what you guyz want.

Thank you very much for your support and patience, and please, never stop feeding this list. You guyz are awesome!!!

thegigibeast

List for new Selvala. Please drop into tier 2 decklists

selvala brostorm by asm

@n0bunga

Added, very nice list with good and funny description.

@tw0handt0uch

Added, very nice list with well written primer.

Thanks both for your contribution!

Welcome back thegigibeast!

Based on conversations we have had for the past few weeks I think the following changes are in order.

Demotions out of tier 2:

Jhoira of the Ghitu: Waaay too slow. I havent heard anyone mention her name as remotely competitive in a Long time

Kaalia of the Vast: Demotion is long overdue. Pure pubstomp, not competitive since angels dragons and demons are not cEDH playable on thier own and she requires many to be good.

Titania, Protector of Argoth: Selvala is WAY better and should take her place. She is a middle of the pack green general and all her peers are tier 3.

Shattergang Brothers: Way too slow to compete with tier 1 and tier 2 decks. With the partner commanders having access to more colors (better stax pieces) shattergang is simply tier 3.

Oloro, Ageless Ascetic: Does nothing but lifegain and is too overcosted to be worthy of casting in a competitive game for the card draw.

Should be given consideration for demotion from Tier 2:

Child of Alara, Roon of the Hidden Realm, Daretti, Scrap Savant, Purphoros, God of the Forge

Who should be promoted to tier 1:

Thrasios, Triton Hero: There really is no question here. Hes stronger than half of tier 1 without being close to being solved. Please promote him already so I can shut up about him.

Breya, Etherium Shaper: Very strong and fast. Slightly worse than thrasios but still borderline tier one IMO. Artifact based builds are really not her most competitive build.

Possible demotion from tier 1:

Animar, Soul of Elements: This is simply my opinion. Very explosive, but many tier 2 generals are just as fast (gitrog, Breya, and SBT are arguably faster on average because black provides so much consistency and they have better game ending combos for multiplayer). Animar has trouble killing a table all at once and is very commander-centric.

Brago, King Eternal: Most of the stuff I have read recently does not consider Brago as tier 1 anymore and some ppl consider Augustine better. I personally would be more afraid of brago but it is an issue that has yet to be resolved

Also here is an excellent list and primer for Sliver Queen. Please add it to the primers list:

Kahno's list

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/755409-sliver-queen-5-color-boonweaver-combo

Welcome back thegigibeast! Since you are back though I think it might time for a comment reset. Close to 400 comments is getting up there.