cards that make you rage when someone plays them
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Posted on May 18, 2014, 10:53 p.m. by amishrambo
for me (i'm primarly a standard player since scars/innstrad) and during scars/innstrad whenever someone Gitaxian Probe ed (and to a lesser extent Thoughtseize ) me and started to write down what my hand is i just feel a primal feeling to reach across the table and smack them and call them a ponce im not sure why. do any others have this feeling when a certain card is played? againts you
Yes, definitely with Thoughtseize .
Never should have reprinted that card..
May 18, 2014 10:59 p.m.
miracleHat says... #4
turn 2 True-Name Nemesis . turn 2 Goblin Warchief --> 2 Goblin Piledriver . turn 1 Mind's Desire --> Mind's Desire .
May 18, 2014 10:59 p.m.
amishrambo says... #5
Adams880FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME! that PoS card made life hell for any sort of 2nd to 3rd tier decks that likes one's of and FUN!
May 18, 2014 11:02 p.m.
AussieBloke says... #6
People saw your hand, and wrote down the cards?!?! The Fuck! Just draw a card or remove one and move on! That's never happened to me but that just sounds like a complete dick move. Anyway, I run a deck with Master of Cruelties , and the facial expressions are priceless.
May 18, 2014 11:18 p.m.
KnightsBattlecry001 says... #7
It use to be Delver of Secrets Flip , Snapcaster Mage , Thragtusk , and Restoration Angel . Now it's Sphinx's Revelation , anything involving MUD, and anything involving MBD. The look I give my opponent when they play any of those is priceless. At least according to them anyway.
May 18, 2014 11:23 p.m.
Island or a shock with an island in it. much power, such good.
May 18, 2014 11:28 p.m.
Turn 1 Thoughtseize and basically anything to do with MBD really grinds my gears.
May 19, 2014 12:21 a.m.
trentfaris242 says... #12
In Standard there's no question: it's Blood Baron of Vizkopa . Why did they ever print that card? It makes me want to quit the game altogether.
May 19, 2014 1:30 a.m.
I'd write things down if I would play Thoughtseize too. Hell, if only it doesn't take too much time, I'd write down the decklist if I play Extirpate .
I used get all rage-y if I have to deal with Miracle'd Entreat the Angels while Doubling Season and Parallel Lives are out. Or tapping lands wrong when I could've used Boros Charm to win.
May 19, 2014 1:42 a.m.
ITT: We complain about cards that aren't even bad.
The only cards really worth complaining about that have been in Standard the past 3 years are the Miracle spells, and only the big 3 ----> Temporal Mastery , Entreat the Angels , and (the biggest pieceashit fuckmylife card ever) Bonfire of the Damned .
"Hey! I'm winning this game based on how skillful I was in setting up the past 4 turns and controlling you. I'm going to win!"
"Miracle Bonfire for 6?"
"... FUUUUUUUU-"
It's only because it was zero skill and all luck, too. All you literally had to do was pray and flip over the top card, and you could win a game because of it.
May 19, 2014 1:49 a.m.
And as for the people saying that writing things down when you see them is a "dick move", you've clearly never been a tournament before.
May 19, 2014 1:49 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #16
By farbluet aggravated when i get Cryptic Command
2 or 3 times in one game but that just be the breaks of modern. In standard i have an utter disgust for the UW/x deck. Last season it's win condition was mill and occasionally detain. This season it's aetherling it wait until you get so bored of being able to do nothing you just scoop....now this isn't too say mbd/mud aren't irritating to play against. Cough cough Gary/fish people they just hasn't been the band of my standard career 2 seasons in a row.
May 19, 2014 1:50 a.m.
As much as I dislike people writing stuff down, there is a reason MTGO keeps a window open for cards your opponent has revealed. If you're playing in a tournament, I get it, you're playing to win and have probably invested serious money and time to get there. But FNM? Calm yourself. You probably net deck too.
Writing stuff down really isn't a dick move, I just don't like how you need to rely on your ability to write rather than your ability to remember things correctly.
May 19, 2014 1:55 a.m.
*"If you're playing in a tournament, I get it, you're playing to win and have probably invested serious money and time to get there. But FNM? Calm yourself. You probably net deck too.
Writing stuff down really isn't a dick move, I just don't like how you need to rely on your ability to write rather than your ability to remember things correctly."*
This barely makes sense.
First of all, FNM is a tournament.
Second, some FNMs can be really competitive and I take it that you've simply never played in one with high stakes.
Third, that's a cheap shot at net-deckers - but that's an entirely different debate.
Fourth, do you use dice for your life total? Perhaps write it on some paper? I bet you totally keep that memorized in big tournaments. I wouldn't be caught dead in a tournament without a pad of paper and a pen to write with. My ass has been saved more times than I can recall because I had both players' life totals written down with all the changes when some d-bag sitting across from my knocked his D20 off the table and accused me of telling him the wrong number. It's not a dick move; writing down what's in somebody's hand is only going to benefit you and not let you forget what's going on. Who cares if you're an elitist who thinks everyone should remember everything? I'll write stuff down and not die to it later.
May 19, 2014 2:01 a.m.
Barely makes sense still makes sense.
1.) FNM is FNM. You're not playing against the best in the world, you're playing against the best in your city, maybe, to me that doesn't even come close to something like a pro tour event or anything. From WotC's own damn website:
"Are you looking for a way to play Magic while meeting new friends and winning cool foil prize cards? Then Friday Night Magic is exactly what you're looking for! Try it out and discover why Friday night is the best night of the week!
To make it easier to participate, Friday Night Magic events are open to anyone and feature the Standard Constructed, Modern Constructed, Sealed Deck, Booster Draft, Block Constructed, or Two-Headed Giant (Standard or Sealed) formats. Running events in these formats makes it easier for new players to participate, and you only have to remember these things: Pack your deck; remember where the tournament is happening, and what time it starts."
Now, I don't know if I don't understand english but Wizards themselves makes it directly clear that they see FNM as a more casual setting. I don't see them recommending you bringing a pad and paper.
2.) No I don't play in FNM, anymore anyways. It's because of people who make me bring pen and paper to these events that made me stop going. I did fairly well too, but winning isn't everything which is something the guys who play at my current LGS really lack. We just consider FNM in different ways, and that in itself is completely okay. I just think people should leave FNM more easy going, as Wizards intends it to be.
3.) Yes, I can see your point with this. Sometimes in certain environments if you want to win you have to resort to it and/or the whole pen/paper thing. But again, In my personal experience the people who write the cards i reveal down do, in fact, net deck and never go to FNM with a homebrew or original deck.
4.) Of course I use a D20 for my life, Wizards basically gives them to us to use at limited events and in Fat packs. I've also had several players I've played against incorrectly write down my life total after an attack trying to screw me out of life. I saw one guy in particular do it at a limited event to the player sitting next to me. He swung for 6 but wrote down that he took 8. The guy who got hit didn't notice and then when it came to late game he claimed he had won (when in fact the guy who was oblivious should have been at 1). I noticed this because I used my eye holes, not because I wrote it down.
I understand why you would want to keep a record of it, but it can also be abused in the same way it can prevent abuse. People who want to cheat will eventually find a way to cheat, in which case playing against them isn't much fun, in which case I stopped going.
We have different opinions on this haha
May 19, 2014 2:18 a.m.
You seem to think that "wanting to keep track of both life totals without the possibility of my dice getting messed up" makes me a try-hard and anyone who does it should feel bad.
Also, good for you that you can remember things. I'm just bright enough to know that I'm less likely to forget if I also write it down when I see it.
If someone writes down the wrong number, then that person is cheating but it's also on the other player to be keeping track as well. Wizards and judges always recommend clearly announcing whenever your life total changes and to what it becomes. That, and it's just good sportsmanship.
Get over yourself. You've clearly had a negative experience or two with competitive Magic, so why stumble in here like you know how it really is? I know you can't be taken seriously because you throw "net-decker" around like it's taboo and a forbidden evil.
/you
May 19, 2014 2:26 a.m.
You're trying to point out that you're perfectly in the clear for hating on net-deckers, justifying your argument with "Well Magic is different things to different peoples and opinions blah blah", while I'm coming right back at you with - Yeah; some people take the game more seriously and its their right to do so. I, for one, view the game as a challenge and I set goals to better myself at it by playing often. You obviously just view the game as a game; that's fine. Just don't bash the other end of the spectrum when your shit stinks, too.
May 19, 2014 2:37 a.m.
No I don't think you're a try hard, I think when you use your pen and paper for tracking life totals that's okay. If you need aids to help you, by all means use them. If it's not illegal, you can do whatever you want. I just don't see the need to do it at FNM is my point. At high level tournaments you should protect and help yourself in any way necessary.
That is why I didn't say anything to the guy who got screwed. It wasn't my business so I stayed out of it, and he learned his lesson the hard way and he probably won't let it happen to him again because of it. I gained valuable information about the cheater and helped myself too. Win win for everyone! WOOOOOOOOOO!
I have had nearly only negative experiences with competitive magic, which is A.) Why I stopped going B.) Why I won't attend FNM again until I move to a different city. The players here are good at magic but terrible at being nice people. I just believe that you can be both.
TL;DR - Any event level above FNM and I myself would use paper and pen probably. I believe FNM should be casual and not win at all costs, and P&P strikes me as a 'win at all costs' kinda thing. I'm not even going to bother debating net decking past this point, either.
May 19, 2014 2:38 a.m.
Internet arguments are fucking great, I tell you. More people should have them.
May 19, 2014 2:39 a.m.
I've had too many in my day.
I try to avoid them nowadays. I usually only let myself get dragged into them when I smell the stench of ignorance.
May 19, 2014 2:41 a.m.
trentfaris242 says... #25
This is WAAAAAY off topic, but I kind of get what Deco_y is saying. FNM isn't like it used to be. It IS a bunch of try-hards now who just want to win packs, but that's not what it should be about. FNM is for fun and meeting new friends. Magic, in general, is now leaning way too much towards the economy side of things than the fun of the game.You can't even make a trade with someone anymore because they immediately whip their phone out and make sure they are making a profit off the trade.
I'm not sure his point about using a pen-and-paper at FNM is correct or not, but his comment that FNM should be casual certainly is, and every LGS I've been to in the last year has lost this atmosphere.
May 19, 2014 2:43 a.m.
My ignorance of "competitive" magic isn't because I didn't try going to competitive magic events, it's because the only competitive magic I can find within a hundred miles is toxic. This is what I know and am stuck with, sadly.
May 19, 2014 2:44 a.m.
I would just like to throw my 2 cents in with regards to Thoughtseizing. Its not at all a dick move to write the cards down. More than half of the gain from casting the card is getting to see the hand and plan out the rest of your game. As long as you don't take forever to write it down, its no big deal.
If it really bothers you that much, my buddy actually just plays the rest of the game with those cards that were already seen revealed and lying face up on the table. This saves the time of writing down, and it also helps him keep track of which cards the opponent has already seen. Plus its just a nice gesture. Now he definitely doesn't do it at tournaments, just FNMs, but it is an option.
May 19, 2014 2:48 a.m.
My opinion on P&P is probably wrong to be honest haha. It's not illegal to use and it's not like I can get mad at you for doing it. But this is basically my version of seeing a card I hate seeing. I can't hate you for playing the card, I just don't like seeing it.
May 19, 2014 2:52 a.m.
You can't blame the players for this, though. Blame SCG and ChannelFireball and Wizards themselves for popularizing the Grand Prix tournaments and the PTQs and Pro Tour and Open tournaments, where hyper-competitiveness rules and you have to be ready or get destroyed. These entities are responsible for Magic becoming more serious over the past 5 years or so with the surge of new players during this time diving straight into competitive Magic without knowing the casual base it once held.
There's no one (I would hope not, at least) sitting at home Friday afternoon, grievously rubbing his hands together and thinking "I'm finally gonna drive out all those casual clowns because competitive Magic is how Magic is supposed to be." It just makes sense that if one person shows up and is on an entirely different level and blows everyone away, everyone else must either quit or adapt (or start liking to lose).
May 19, 2014 2:52 a.m.
The sad thing is a few people who live here are the guys rubbing their hands together haha.
I can agree with the rest of your post, as much as I can from what little I apparently know about competitive magic anyways.
May 19, 2014 2:57 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #31
I'm definetly gonna start scraping a plastic spoon against the table every time some one thoughtseizes me, and start filing down that somofabitch until it's a deadly shank and proceed to plunge it into their eye socket. In fact I already have, my mono-b opponents are starting to get nervous, I've cheerfully told them that they have about a dozen thoughtseizes left.
May 19, 2014 3:14 a.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #32
I agree how Thoughtseize (and Inquisition of Kozilek ) can incredibly rage inducing (wow it really is better to give than receive!!.. lol)
But I've been mostly playing modern over the past year, and the card that I grew to hate seeing the most was Deathrite Shaman , but... I guess that's why it got banned.. So.. Yeah... :P lmao
May 19, 2014 3:48 a.m.
mowservision says... #33
If we're gonna go that route, I can't stand when my friend plays Spy Network on me. And then makes faces at the cards in my hand (surprised, angry, excited) and basically reveals what I have going on. It is casual EDH but still I'd prefer if people had better poker faces.
May 19, 2014 3:58 a.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #34
Come to think of it.. Back when I was playing standard (before Innistrad rotated out), I used to absolutely hate seeing Oblivion Ring , so... I eventually got the clue & started using it myself.. ;)
May 19, 2014 4:03 a.m.
AussieBloke says... #35
Hey, Hi, me again, i would like to openly apologize for putting my personal opinion so bluntly and calling Thoughtseize a "dick move", well, not so much thoughtsezie in general but the writing down of cards. I do only play FNM, thats because i live in Queensland, Australia, and there's only maybe two or three stores i know of in the whole state (for anyone unfamiliar with Aussie states, their huge). To me, writing down cards in a semi-competitive environment is basically like saying, "I'd really like to win, so would you mind just, you know, not bother playing any threats so i can win a little quicker? Thanks.". In conclusion, any opinions expressed were my own and not aimed at anyone in particular, I apologize for any issues caused, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, if something makes you happy, I'm happy for you. Enjoy your day.
May 19, 2014 5:43 a.m.
Read this whole thing and the part I loved most was when it was mentioned that some of the people at said commentors LGS are good players but bad on the social skills. I like shook my head and raised my hands to the sky and shouted "preach brotha".
Almost all of any bad social stigma given to magic is purely from the fact that many people who play this game have absolutely horrible social skills and it drives a ton of people away. In my city it's kind of a hipsters game now unlike when I was younger...which is fine by me I'd prefer the dude seeping irony then the guy who can't understand social queues. It makes the social aspect of magic very bad.
May 19, 2014 8:08 a.m.
This post is not directed at any one individual, so keep that in mind
I play a B/R control deck and a U/B control deck among others. I also run thoughtseize, Hymm to Tourach, and other nasty's. I will admit that it is kind of a "Dick Move" to write down their hand in a casual friendly setting. However in a tourney it should be done, you are there to win point blank. I will agree with the fact that FNM is NOT what it used to be way back when. As far as I'm concerned, thats fine, If I dont like the environment then I dont have to play. There is always kitchen table.
As far as everyone's opinions go... No one is going to agree with everything you have to say. If you think that people do then you may need a reality check. This is just a fact of the matter. Does that mean that you have to apologize? NO. Can you be civil while stating your opinion? YES.
I like this definition of Politically Correct: A term used for whiney, overly-sensitive pansies who need everything sugar-coated for them.
While this is not a politically correct argument it still applies to opinions that are different from our own. I for one dont want to fall in that classification of a person. Or even be conceived as that type of person. Just sayin.
That being said if you dont agree with someone opinion its fine to say you dont but you done need to chastise them into thinking the same way you do. It also fine if you just ignore them altogether and move on...
Back to the topic of the thread. I HATE planeswalkers all of them. There I said it. I dont know what is about them but I just dont like them at all. I also dont like folks (there is one in my play group who does both) who either:1. Build a deck where its sole purpose is to beat another deck and only that deck. They will then go out of their way to find out what you are playing so they can use that deck every time you play your deck it was meant to beat. It's very annoying and forces me to sleeve ALL my cards in plain black sleeves. 2. Builds a deck that is only burn spells and counters and nothing else (save mana). Also annoying but not near as bad as the first.
May 19, 2014 8:23 a.m.
If you're playing in an FNM and aren't trying to win, then why are you paying money to play Magic when you could just ask someone there to play?
I never understood that thinking. If you pay $5 toward the prize pool and don't try, aren't you literally just paying other people to beat you?
May 19, 2014 6:23 p.m.
AussieBloke says... #41
There's a difference between trying to win with a fun homebrew or being a new player looking to get some experience, against a competitive with a win at all costs deck (net deck. In the weeks after protour, every wanker and his dog was using a copy-pasted MUD or MBD deck, there was no joy in those weeks) . My point is that we are trying to win at FNM, but without doing whatever the best players are doing. I don't know what every other FNM does, but my shop has a 'everyone gets a booster' prize, and it's brilliant.
May 19, 2014 6:52 p.m.
There's also a huge difference between a home brew that's competitive and something that's super janky and has no chance. Quite honestly, if you're going to play a super janky homebrew that has no chance of winning, don't come to FNM. You're just wasting time and you probably won't have much fun. Keep that kind of deck to the kitchen table. If you build a homebrew that's competitive, by all means come to FNM. But stop railing on "net-deckers" just because we're competitive and build good decks. I built a very competitive Esper deck that cost $500. I didn't net-deck, I didn't use anyone else's lists, I built it myself from the ground up. But every event I go to I get accused of net-decking or being a try hard or whatever. People need to just get over themselves.
May 19, 2014 7:02 p.m.
AussieBloke says... #43
Right, sorry about the 'net deck' thing, just bad personal experiences with them. Every week there's someone with a Mono Blue Devotion straight off the protour list, and I just look at them and think, "wow, did you think of that all by yourself?". I know dam well those decks still take skill to play and get right, but it's near impossible to try something out of the box at FNM against them.
May 19, 2014 7:15 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #44
Wow, this forum is incredibly off-topic..
Let's pull this back in....
Back when I was playing in the casual/legacy tourney at our shop, I used to really hate seeing Force of Will .. I'll think "Oh good, he's tapped out, it should be safe to play this.. WRONG!! Force of Will .. smh.....
May 19, 2014 7:15 p.m.
Force of Will is definitely one of the more ridiculous cards Wizards has made.
amishrambo says... #2
keep in mind that this is for a semi-competitive environment not casual kitchen table. not a pro tour but just a weekly FNM kinda thing
May 18, 2014 10:56 p.m.