Commanders by Power Level [EDH Tier List]
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davidsays1 says... #2
Is there anywhere i can go to receive help in making one of my decks more competitive/near max potential?
June 30, 2019 11:52 a.m.
Commander_JAR says... #3
But would that just put them in a tier where they can beat ALL decks in that tier?
June 30, 2019 11:36 p.m.
Nerdytimesorwhatever says... #4
Commander_JAR How are we justifying their placement that high if they lack a competitively viable list? Jodah, Archmage Eternal in particular seems pretty impotent when compared to everyone else in his tier. He just has access to 5 cmc being his cap if you can generate the colors and 5 colors. Pretty lame.
July 1, 2019 1:09 a.m.
Commander_JAR says... #5
I can only assume there are competitive decks but nobody's taking the time to post it here. The dude said to look up Average Dragon for high power and up.
Anyways, I don't know much about building a deck around Jodah, but I have done a decent amount of research for Scion. There are some dangerous combos you can build Scion around, and some of them are infinite damage combos. So I can see it being above High Power. The main issue is getting it out and keeping it on the field to get the combos going.
July 1, 2019 3:13 a.m.
SMASHER101 says... #6
Gilady089 Look at the list for the first sliver. It says food chain not sliver tribal. Food chain is a combo deck that has nothing to do with slivers. The First Sliver is just the newest way to flip your deck over with infinite mana and food chain.
July 3, 2019 11:39 a.m.
Not sure if I am allowed to suggest it since I did not make the deck myself but Roxie on MTG MUddstah's channel played a super scary Ghalta deck that I feel was certainly stronger than Mid-Power when considered competitively. Not saying it is cEDH level but at least High Power. Here is the list she made.
https://archidekt.com/decks/78641#Ghalta_(Fast_Combo_Green)
July 3, 2019 8:19 p.m.
seuchansauce says... #8
I would like to propose this list of Yidris to see if he can still classify for maximum power. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yidris-dont-care/
Also I think Saskia list like this should have some considerations. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/saskia-politics-is-dumb/
I know I'm Bias but they've served me well at every table ranging from most competitive to moderately competitive.
July 4, 2019 3:26 a.m.
So my paper group still does partial mulligans and I'm finding myself with a functional Yawgmoth's bargain on turn 3 with Yawgmoth, Thran Physican + any Undying creature....ALOT. Not sure how consistant it is with other mulligan styles but it's surprisingly reliable for me so far when using partials...
July 4, 2019 6:26 p.m.
KeksimusMaximus There is a list in Under the competitive listing Here is the link tho.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/engine-thief/
July 8, 2019 1:52 a.m.
Recent_skepticism says... #14
Guys!? What is this new ban list crap going to do to t&t power now?
July 8, 2019 1:33 p.m.
generalrenard says... #15
Recent_skepticism it's going to do nothing to T&T. Urza, Sisay, and Arcum are all going to get a LOT worse, especially Sisay and Arcum. Sisay might just fall of the small amount of play she got, same thing with Arcum.
July 8, 2019 2:39 p.m.
crstisalie says... #16
Urza does NOT get much worse. Paradox Engine was just a backup plan, not the main line. The deck will be fine.
Sisay is DEFINTELY hosed now, though.
July 8, 2019 6:53 p.m.
pokejerk20 says... #17
RIP Sisay, maybe one day Sheldon will stop making the ban lists and wizards will handle it...
July 8, 2019 7:04 p.m.
generalrenard some T&T variants take a big hit others not that much, Urza also doesn't take too big a hit. But Arcum and Sisay aren't gonna be nearly as good. So overall rip diversity but it should be fine...
July 8, 2019 7:53 p.m.
CrimsonWings3689 says... #19
Captain Sisay is 100% losing her place in Maximum Power. Competitive is stretching it now as well considering that it was THE game plan... In a format where 2 card combos run wild, it was one of the few things that enabled other decks to remain competitive.
It's like Teferi losing The Chain Veil , Godo losing Helm of the Host , or multiple decks losing access to either Protean Hulk or Food Chain ...
Meanwhile, we get freakin Painter's Servant + Grindstone back and whatever other awful combinations will come about from it... yeah, that makes sense...
Also, RIP collection value. Bought/traded for 5 copies of Paradox Engine for use in 5 of 14 decks...
July 8, 2019 7:55 p.m. Edited.
SetoKaiba46 says... #20
Won't Sidisi, Undead Vizier be hurt with the new ban list?
July 8, 2019 9:58 p.m.
Honestly, I'm kinda disappointed that Paradox is banned. While I do agree that it was extremely powerful, I thought it brought a healthy amount of diversity and win cons for many decks for cEDH. I really hope that the rules committee can settle down and actually generate a list of cards that really deserved to be banned. Because right now, the ban list seems very arbitrary and no two cards follow a similar criteria.
July 8, 2019 10:21 p.m.
Sidisi, Undead Vizier will get a bit benifit for unbaning painter.
July 8, 2019 10:28 p.m.
The Paradox Engine ban makes sense for casual, since it lets decks do long noninfinite combo turns with low cmc spells and mana rocks.
However if the rules committee really wanted to commit to making their banlist directed at casual (meaning "ban all undercosted non-buildaround op cards"), then they would also have to hit Necropotence , Food Chain , Survival of the Fittest , Mana Crypt , etc.
Instead, they banned Iona, Shield of Emeria . Turn 1 Entomb , turn 2 Animate Dead Iona can be pretty annoying, but still, she isn't that oppressive either, not even compared to turn 2 Blightsteel Colossus .
July 10, 2019 6:22 a.m.
CyborgAeon says... #24
Sephyrias are you achieving Blightsteel Colossus for 3 mana over the first 2 turns using only 2 nonland cards from your opening hand?
If so - then yeah, it's more oppressive than iona in casual. Iona feels like a preemptive ban to prevent iona-servant locks (seems simpler to assemble than Karn, the Great Creator + Mycosynth Lattice locks and Stasis + stasis parity breaker locks)
July 10, 2019 8:13 a.m.
Sephyrias I don't endorse the RC's logic in banning (and especially their stubbornness in blatantly ignoring cEDH) BUT their logic on Paradox Engine is that it enables big combo turns without intentional setup. If you'd running Food Chain you're much more likely running cast-from-exile creatures and infinite mana payoffs. A lot of casual folks identify Engine as a powerful card with a cool effect and then randomly look up and think "WOW I CAN Capsize THE BOARD because I have Gilded Lotus , Sol Ring , AND Mind Stone !
Zeitloup says... #1
Well, Urza is just better positioned in this current meta, regardless of speed. Having no creatures used to be a good thing in Teferi, but now that's a death sentence in a Tymna defined meta. Urza himself blocks Tymna and so does his token which is arguably more important, even if Urza is weaker to targeted removal.
June 30, 2019 9:04 a.m.