As an Azami player I feel like the last few sets keep bringing in the good stuff. Barack looks insane!

Gates88 nice analysis!

Gates88

Nice analysis! However, you don't really address Candelabra, which is one of the central engines of the deck; it's very easy to find and just as easy to recur activations. I'm inclined to think that the case analysis here is not exhaustive.

Mana generation/reduction is likewise only part of the story. Much of JVP's strength comes from (nearly) guaranteed early card selection and versatility in how you can utilize his ability.

Gates88

Nice analysis! However, you don't really address Candelabra, which is one of the central engines of the deck; it's very easy to find and just as easy to recur activations. I'm inclined to think that the case analysis here is not exhaustive.

Mana generation/reduction is likewise only part of the story. Much of JVP's strength comes from (nearly) guaranteed early card selection and versatility in how you can utilize his ability.

A few tier 2 and 1 decks got a lot better with the arrival of walking ballista. Food Chain Sidisi, Brood Tyrant finally has a cheap and easy outlet (which allowed me to cut Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, Triskelion, Tidespout Tyrant and Victimize from my list). Now I can simply Dread Return into Eternal Witness grab walking ballista cast it for a big X cost with Food Chain mana gg.

This card also seems like a nice finisher for Animar, Soul of Elements and is good with any commander who has an infinite outlet.

Food chain Sidisi? That sounds much more interesting than food chain tazri. Can I get a list?

It is our sidisi brood tyrant list actually. Hangarback walker is a temporary placeholder for ballista.

Cool, I'll check it out

ShaperSavant, it's not a comprehensive analysis (and I never claimed it was), which is part of the reason why I didn't mention Candelabra. In those two specific cases, Frantic Search/Turnabout respectively are as good or better than Candelabra in terms of mana production. It's also not an analysis for the full combo turn, just an analysis of the start of it leading into a huge spell like Time Spiral, Timetwister, etc. which in my experience is usually how the combo turn goes.

I talked about pros and cons of Jace and Baral outside the combo turn near the end of my post and basically said that Jace was better in the setup phase for the reasons you said - superior card selection.

On a different note, since Landdestruction.com is no longer available, the link to the Sharuum deck no longer works. Several members of r/CEDH are attempting to archive the articles on pastebin and here is the Sharuum article: Playing Eggs in EDH.

Also there is no actual link to the Teferi list in the description. I assume you meant to link to this one?

Hey guys, I know I am showing up late to this party, but is there any type of deck that smashes together Atraxa Stax with HD? I had a late night sleep deprived idea and I wanted to know if there is any merit behind it. Obviously the stax pieces couldn't be things that inhibited the HD combo, but it would give the deck more resiliency as compared to a lone HD or lone Stax deck, maybe. I am relatively new to cEDH, so I'd love any and all feedback on why this would, or likely wouldn't work. Thank you very much!

Very interesting analysis, I didn't expect something so in depth in response to my musings.

I feel like Baral has potential for taking Jace's place but it would definitely take a massive overhaul and someone willing to be patient, adding more effects that can benefit from his ability and so on. Being able to tutor for the High Tide that was reshuffled with Timetwister as you mentioned could be very key and cards like Merchant Scroll (especially for ) would do a massive amount of work.

Saffi just got a new best combo piece with Renegade Rallier, the deck will definitely stay tier 2 now.

While Renegade Rallier is a nice new combo piece for Saffi and while it is faster than most other combos, she still does have Loyal Retainers (if you're inclined to run it) however still doesn't solve the bigger issue of completing the combo. One of Saffi's biggest weaknesses is that you're basically relying on 4 sac outlets (plus Enlightened Tutor) and that's the hardest part of the combo to assemble.

That being said, Renegade Rallier is an awesome card and will find its home in most Saffi decks (and possibly make a viable modern deck too).

I am pretty sure there are more than 4 ways to sac for saffi.

Also, while the banned commanders are banned, could we get decks for them just to demonstrate the best builds for them and show why they are banned or could be unbanned in the future if the power level keeps going up.

Yes, there are more than 4 sac outlets, however only 4 of them form an infinite combo that actually does anything of value. Because while Fanatical Devotion + Saffi Eriksdotter + Renegade Rallier is technically an infinite combo, it doesn't do squat to win you the game.

I'd like to introduce the idea for discussion that razzliox's TurboFroggy list is tier 1. It is very fast (Jeleva/Prossh speed), not significantly affected by many stax pieces, can win in the endstep with two cards in the Cleanup Step: Dakmor Salvage in hand and Gitrog on the battlefield (assuming you have 8 or more cards in hand), and can fight through single use graveyard hate pretty well (i.e. non-Rest in Peace, etc.). In my games (~30), I estimate its strength to be around Prossh level, i.e. one of the top-5 decks in cEDH.

Here is an aggregate ranking I generated from the responses of which commanders are the best in cEDH: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/4xc0tp/surveying_cedh_players/. The answers included submissions from Cobblepott, angelforge, NarejED, razzliox, BigLupu, skuloth and others: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19uIl__Ff7fAkrry9uzemTZExp8XqWvn648uZsJNS5cU/edit?usp=sharing

You'll notice the top commanders on this aggregate ranking have an almost 1-1 correspondence with the tier-1 generals on this list (Breya, Yidris, Leovold, etc. didn't yet exist).

P.S. Tazri wasn't yet well-known at the time of this and it seems she settled just above Prossh in a top-5 spot.

Is it possible to edit posts after they're posted?

There's an edit button that last for a few minutes. After that, you're stuck sorry.

As soon as I posted I looked for a way to edit but didn't see one. :\

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NarejED id like to submit my Maelstrom for the tier 2 list. Maelstrom List

It's a real list that I'm currently playing so it's missing some money cards like the dual lands but pretty much that's it.

It looks like you're running Food Chain, but no Eternal Scourge or Misthollow Griffin for the combo, nor any of the support cards like Extract. I also see Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, but none of the other pieces for Twin-Exarch combo like Pestermite. Those are the two best combo packages for Wanderer. For an extremely low mana investment, FC-Scourge/Griffin with Wanderer puts your entire non-land library into play, allowing you to win a wide variety of ways. Meanwhile RUG Twin has numerous interchangeable pieces and multiple potential lines of assembly. I would recommend focusing your list on one of those two combo packages.